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I practiced Ben Franklin's 13 virtue system for 3 years

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Re: I practiced Ben Franklin's 13 virtue system for 3 years

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Post by jdmichal »

ravenstine wrote: post #27

Just a note on Bushido: Although I'm sure such codes can be useful to people, it's essentially bullcrap got used to fuel Japan's rise of fascism. https://www.tofugu.com/japan/bushido/ I particularly loathe the term as I've heard it used by more than one desperate "white knight" who doesn't practice a single bit of it but uses it to appear virtuous. Whenever I hear someone mention "bushido", my first instinct is to as…

Chivalry is very similar. Wikipedia even has a section calling it out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chivalry#Literary_chivalry_and...

Re: I practiced Ben Franklin's 13 virtue system for 3 years

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Post by purplezooey »

B1FF_PSUVM wrote: post #50
tome wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Click- bait ? I think click-bate is something else.

With bated click - the moving mouse/finger hovers for a while, then, having hovered, moves on.

Especially if it's something on medium.com

Re: I practiced Ben Franklin's 13 virtue system for 3 years

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Post by burntrelish1273 »

My favorite BF ancillary axiom is "Advice to a friend on choosing a mistress." There are zillions of horny, middle-upper-class women whom do pilates, yoga, etc. and are HAF. So much nicer to see someone whom has fewer hangups, expectations, drama and behaves more like an adult. Chastity (12.) implies neither celibacy nor promiscuity, but Moderation (9.).

Re: I practiced Ben Franklin's 13 virtue system for 3 years

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Post by theyregreat »

burntrelish1273 wrote: post #53

My favorite BF ancillary axiom is "Advice to a friend on choosing a mistress." There are zillions of horny, middle-upper-class women whom do pilates, yoga, etc. and are HAF. So much nicer to see someone whom has fewer hangups, expectations, drama and behaves more like an adult. Chastity (12.) implies neither celibacy nor promiscuity, but Moderation (9.).

I hear you, brother. Much less work for more benefits with benefits. Men and women both have sex on the Maslow hierarchy of needs, to varying degrees. Men and women both get mood and cardio improvements from getting laid regularly.

PSA: Practice safer sex.

Re: I practiced Ben Franklin's 13 virtue system for 3 years

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Post by toasterlovin »

sreyaNotfilc wrote: post #30

What a small world. I was looking at purchasing the Walter Issac's Ben Franklin book from Audible yesterday. I remember seeing a Discovery documentary about him a few years back and found Ben to be fascinating (before that documentary, he was the guy who flew a kite). I do know that after a while he did do away with his 13 virtues since many of then conflicted with each other (after all, the dude was a ladies man). I…

If you’re considering reading a Ben Franklin biography, I would highly recommend reading his autobiography as well (if you haven’t already).

Re: I practiced Ben Franklin's 13 virtue system for 3 years

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Post by greglindahl »

irrational wrote: post #44
redbeard0x0a wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 8. JUSTICE ... Also, you should pay for other people's work, not demand that they do things for free.

Isn't that the same as "I should receive compensation for my work."? The I is just a placeholder for any person.

You'll note that the Golden Rule doesn't appear on the list.

Re: I practiced Ben Franklin's 13 virtue system for 3 years

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Post by oskarth »

leephillips wrote: post #4

D.H. Lawrence's take on Franklin's virtues is immortal: http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/lewiss/lawrence.htm My high school English teacher, Frank McCourt, used to love reading this out loud.

> A Quaker friend told Franklin that he, Benjamin, was generally considered proud, so Benjamin put in the Humility touch as an afterthought. The amusing part is the sort of humility it displays. 'Imitate Jesus and Socrates,' and mind you don't outshine either of these two. One can just imagine Socrates and Alcibiades roaring in their cups over Philadel- phian Benjamin, and Jesus looking at him a little puzzled, and murmuring: 'Aren't you wise in your own conceit, Ben?'

Is this written in jest or is it just poor reading comprehension? It's obvious a writer like Franklin wrote "Imitate Jesus and Socrates" on purpose. It's a self-referential reminder of the kind of statement that doesn't indicate humility. Notice how short it is compared to all the other virtue descriptions. If you read more Franklin you know that he likes witticisms.

Re: I practiced Ben Franklin's 13 virtue system for 3 years

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Post by icc97 »

jdmichal wrote: post #51
ravenstine wrote: post #27

Just a note on Bushido: Although I'm sure such codes can be useful to people, it's essentially bullcrap got used to fuel Japan's rise of fascism. https://www.tofugu.com/japan/bushido/ I particularly loathe the term as I've heard it used by more than one desperate "white knight" who doesn't practice a single bit of it but uses it to appear virtuous. Whenever I hear someone mention "bushido", my first instinct is to as…

Chivalry is very similar. Wikipedia even has a section calling it out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chivalry#Literary_chivalry_and...

It doesn't say that chivalry was some fascist practice, just that it's never been that prevalent.

Re: I practiced Ben Franklin's 13 virtue system for 3 years

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Post by krapp »

ravenstine wrote: post #49
datawarrior wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Japan was never Fascist

Care to explain? 1930s/40s Japan was an authoritarian nationalist regime. I don't see how they weren't fascist, but I'm open to being proven wrong.

Arguably, as Fascism was an actual political movement in Italy, Japan could no more have been considered Fascists than they could have been considere Nazis. They were Imperialists.

However both 'fascist' and 'nazi' have commonly understood meanings beyond am affiliation with their respective political parties, so while datawarrior was technically correct (making them the best kind of correct) they were also being needlessly pedantic.

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