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The U.S. Is Retreating from Religion

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Re: The U.S. Is Retreating from Religion

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Today's Non-affiliation is history's Deist.

Affiliation has very little impact on America's general religious behavior or culture. People that just affiliated but only went to church maybe once a year moved to more comfortable to say non-religious?

Church attendance for Protestant Churches is at an all time high. Protestant political power is at an all time high in America.

Trumpism has made the Protestant church morally bankrupt but that hasn't nor will it change the next generation of intrinsically religious people.

This plays into the Protestant/Evangelical narrative of being persecuted and dying breed. They love saying negative its the end of God in America in 20 years since the 70s. Even int he midst of the greatest religious explosion in American History. Just look up George Barna, that guy is a millionaire for twisting the statistics to make religion look like it is dying his whole life. He is the lied a ton and people still listen to him because they love gloom and doom.

Re: The U.S. Is Retreating from Religion

#53
Does religion cause the evils of human nature, or is religion merely a means of expression for the evils of human nature?

I see people glad that religion is decreasing, but is there evidence that the evils of human nature are decreasing, or are they merely taking different forms?

Re: The U.S. Is Retreating from Religion

#54

Materialism, theism and atheism are all religions.

I think not. Religion: The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. [1] Atheism: Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. [2] [1] https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/religion [2] https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/atheism

Quoting a dictionary in an argument is not just bad form but completely incorrect. An English dictionary is not an authoritative source for the meaning of words -- it's a record of the usage of words by English speakers and authors. It is a tool that helps a reader survey the possible meanings of the speaker or author. It does not define the meaning of a text.

You would do well to argue against the authors ideas rather than their words.

Re: The U.S. Is Retreating from Religion

#55

I just wanted to come here and show some respect for religious communities that work very hard to help people and the world become a better place. On hacker news, I would hope we can be rational and respectful about beliefs that are important to (many real and good) people. There are many religious people/beliefs that I agree with - and many I disagree with - we can discuss that like adults. But sarcastic, unkind rem…

can we not say anything about the ones that ruin people’s lives? or is that too unkind? sorry for being unkind to people who abandon their gay kids.

Re: The U.S. Is Retreating from Religion

#57
I welcome the general trend behind this, but I think that we are also losing something valuable with the general de-religioning of the US.

I often volunteer with Habitat for Humanity, and I find that the (majority religious) people there are kind, generous, and overall awesome people. I ascribe a lot of this to their religious convictions. It's also possible though that I'm getting a selection bias of the kindest Christians who are the type that not only go to church but go volunteer with Habitat because the church is doing it- but I do think that the church is a positive influence on them and the community.

I also think that there are relatively few institutions that promote virtuous, pro-social behavior with the effective and long-term viewpoint that a church can. I wish that there were more community organizations starting up that acted in a similar capacity to churches, to come fill in their shoes. Less focus on shaming outgroups and more focus on personal development and community.

Re: The U.S. Is Retreating from Religion

#58

Coming Apart by Charles Murray is an incredibly important book that goes into detail about this including immense amounts of statistical data. The core of American civilization is based on Judeo-Christian values and the fact that faith in those are rotting away is directly leading to slow-motion social collapse. I understand the average HN reader is probably areligious (the book goes into the class dynamics of why th…

Seems a bit convenient to his point of view. Western democracy is much more strongly associated with Greek city-states like Athens and the ancient Greek leagues than Judeo-Christian theology.

Re: The U.S. Is Retreating from Religion

#59

Religion is dying, but spirituality is growing. I think the interesting part comes from our (and i say our, as in, the HN demographic) tendencies to hold strict beliefs based only on (and limited by) our own perceptions. The thing is, it comes at you when it comes at you, and you cant tell someone else why they should believe in something they cant see, feel, experiment with or experience. I was an atheist, almost mi…

> until something happens to you that pulls your perspective, your personal perspective, so far out of line with your current beliefs, you will never believe

I would argue that these are the circumstances under which it is most important to push back against claims that are manifestly, self-evidently false according to basic empirical criteria.

Re: The U.S. Is Retreating from Religion

#60

Materialism, theism and atheism are all religions.

When i pray to Amazon they deliver.

Unlike Digiorno.

In all seriousness though Atheism is still a belief system. It makes an assertion without the necessary evidence to fully back it up (which is both true and weirdly ridiculous). On the other hand Agnosticism is in itself removed from a specific belief system. It is an epistemological doctrine of sorts with both religious and non-religious applications.

I find that most people use the word atheism completely wrong and accidentally get caught in stupid semantic debates they themselves are responsible for falling into. If you believe their is no god, then your making some pretty wild jumps.

If you don't think we have sufficient evidence to disprove a God, but would totally bet it all that there isn't, then you should just say your agnostic and explain how that applies if necessary.

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