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Wolf Puppies Are Adorable, Then Comes the Call of the Wild

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How do horses fit into this?

They edit: ~~aren't~~ are barely domesticated. They are useful already in their wild form. They can be "broken" to recognize a dominate rider as their herd leader, but they have to always be tied or corralled. People are trained on how to approach horses, not vice-versa. Never approach a horse from behind.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestication_of_the_horse

They are domesticated.

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I was raised along Jackelyne, a belgian shepherd that believed she was my bodyguard. We have plenty of stories of people running, climbing to trees...

Which illustrates that many dog owners are irresponsible assholes.

Did you never have a dog as a child? Children raised with dogs will naturally befriend the dog, and the dog might take the role as protector.

No assholery there.

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In Northern Ontario there are quite a few people that have half or three quarter wolves, usually crossed with German shephards. I absolutely love them but I would not want one of these unless I lived by myself and in the bush somewhere, these are not your average dog. Super nice animals though. And if you've lived in places where dog packs roam then you know that even in regular dog breeds the wild animal is just und…

I've always remembered this imgur post regarding hybrids whenever the topic is brought up. https://imgur.com/gallery/TqaTE Seems to be a volatile mixture to deal with.

That post is very good and should be enough to discourage anybody but the most dedicated people.

Re: Wolf Puppies Are Adorable, Then Comes the Call of the Wild

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They edit: ~~aren't~~ are barely domesticated. They are useful already in their wild form. They can be "broken" to recognize a dominate rider as their herd leader, but they have to always be tied or corralled. People are trained on how to approach horses, not vice-versa. Never approach a horse from behind.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestication_of_the_horse They are domesticated.

Yes, but I mean to a far lesser degree than a dog. You get utility very quickly with a horse for very little trait selection. For example, you can get this far (no traits selected, completely wild, not feral) with a never-domesticated Przewalski's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovUGagVGiZ4

Re: Wolf Puppies Are Adorable, Then Comes the Call of the Wild

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was raised along Jackelyne, a belgian shepherd that believed she was my bodyguard. We have plenty of stories of people running, climbing to trees...

Which illustrates that many dog owners are irresponsible assholes.

Of course you know those stories better than me. BTW, why do you assume they were innocent victims?

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> something is deeply different in dog genes, or in how and when those genes become active, and scientists are trying to determine exactly what it is Darwin famously observed in the first chapter of On the Origin of Species that not one of our domestic animals can be named which has not in some country drooping ears . Darwin himself attributed it to "muscle misuse", the rationale being that domestic animals are not f…

Have you heard of Williams Syndrome? http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/10/11/somewhat-against-psychi...

Re: Wolf Puppies Are Adorable, Then Comes the Call of the Wild

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When wolves got reintroduced to Idaho, a few hillbillies went up into the primitive area and stole some pups, and they circulated around as pets. My buddy had one, and it scared the shit out of me. It was 130lbs of killing machine. They could tell it to kill anything, and it would do it. Their neighbor's dog had been biting them, so it was the first to go. Then they'd set it on foxes, which is could run down with ease. But the only person that wolf had respect for was the father, who was 6'4" and would pick it up and slam it whenever it misbehaved. Eventually, it started trying to beat up on the kids to move up the pecking order, and it had to be shot.

So only get a wolf if you can stomach putting a bullet in its head after it brutalizes your kids.

Re: Wolf Puppies Are Adorable, Then Comes the Call of the Wild

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> something is deeply different in dog genes, or in how and when those genes become active, and scientists are trying to determine exactly what it is Darwin famously observed in the first chapter of On the Origin of Species that not one of our domestic animals can be named which has not in some country drooping ears . Darwin himself attributed it to "muscle misuse", the rationale being that domestic animals are not f…

Have you heard of Williams Syndrome? http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/10/11/somewhat-against-psychi...

This is discussed at some length in the article, which draws parallels to domestic dog behavior and Williams syndrome.

Re: Wolf Puppies Are Adorable, Then Comes the Call of the Wild

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do horses fit into this?

They edit: ~~aren't~~ are barely domesticated. They are useful already in their wild form. They can be "broken" to recognize a dominate rider as their herd leader, but they have to always be tied or corralled. People are trained on how to approach horses, not vice-versa. Never approach a horse from behind.

Domesticating seems like a fuzzy concept here, in the way it's being discussed. For, as dog owners, we too (well, the more.. principled ones) are trained in how to approach a pup -- or a 'misbehaving' adult dog -- and how to train/discipline the dog in turn.

As someone who has owned a pregnant mare, and observed (and been involved where appropriate) in the birthing, raising, and, with time, subsequent breaking of the foal, I think horses may be born in a more 'wild' form--- but only in the loose, as-it-were sense of the word.

This all said, domestication should probably be discussed in a way that's wholly specific to a species since, with the horse-dog comparison, it goes without saying that their cognitive development, experience, functional relation to humans, and genetics (unlike the wolf/dog in this regard, a premise of the article) differ in such profound ways.

Re: Wolf Puppies Are Adorable, Then Comes the Call of the Wild

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I find dog genetics fascinating. Wolves are fairly uniform in appearance, but dogs comes in fantastically different shapes and sizes. Yet they can still interbreed.

There's actually a fair amount of variation within each wolf species, and even within a single pack.
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