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Hedge Funds Flip ICOs, Leaving Other Investors Holding the Bag

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What % of ICOs are seemingly legitimate? I see advertisements for ICOs on reddit and other tech websites all the time, and I have yet to find one that doesn't look incredibly shady.

Not many of them! Even the ones that are sincere, often have terrible ideas. Or purely unworkable ideas or no business model. It makes it hard for legit people like my startup. We're actually using tech for an end case, not building tech on top of tech for tech's sake.

The legitimate ones happened years ago and have survived, they wouldn't be called ico's anymore.

Invested in one that raised just over $1m, it was considered a huge amount at the time, they had a solid team, serious whitepaper and a rough alpha open sourced product that you could load up and use. A small team that struggled with limited funds and still going strong long down the track.

Today whitepapers have little scientific merit and are more brochures. These companies are raising 100's of millions with no product whatsoever.

Only time can tell legitimacy, and unless you have both the technical and economic ability to properly assess these offerings the best advice is to stay far away until a viable alpha product is created.

Anecdotal experience is that >95% of ico investors haven't even tried the product they have invested in. Seen people who spend hours a day on the forums spruiking yet can't even point to the binary download page when asked.

Re: Hedge Funds Flip ICOs, Leaving Other Investors Holding the Bag

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You mean to tell me that investors don't actually want their digital Beanie Babies and are trying to pitch them to suckers after getting them cheap to make money? Colour me shocked. It's like nobody learned anything from the early 2000s.

People that speak gloom and doom don't realize how many cryptocurrencies have already crashed and burned (from an investment standpoint). This market is absolutely ruthless, and any investor doubt is quickly seen in the market.

Examples (Percent down from peak) BitShares - 80% SiaCoin - 60% Factom - 40% Numeraire - 90% Monaco - 65%

The list goes on. So for everyone who says this bubble is going to pop, I disagree. Bubbles pop every day in the crypto markets because there is absolutely no market more efficient than cryptocurrency. The strongest coins always win out in the end

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I keep hearing this. Can you give an example of a non-contrived use case that the world currently (1) needs and (2) lacks adequate solutions for as is?

Anonymous currencies. Dash, monero, zcash. Feeless transactions. IOTA Fog/Mist computing. SNM, Golem Decentralized marketplaces. Many, syscoin is my favorite. Identity tracking for IOT. Centralized solutions might exist, but WTC and the like are interesting. Decentralized governance. DASH, Lisk, more

World computer - Ethereum, NEO, EOS, Waves, many more

Banking the unbankable - Airfox, VVToken, likely others

More efficient advertisement - BAT, AdEx

Paying content creators - Steem

Distributed file storage - FileCoin, MaidSafe, Storj

Uncensorable internet - zencash

BTC gets all the press for first mover advantage, but is really the worst of the bunch.

This is not investment advice. It is quite exciting, however.

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>all savings of people who don't invest in cryptocurrencies are worthless, that fear may be driving a lot of the ICO speculation. There are lots of ways to invest your money that aren't based on the dollar. Futures, real estate, company stocks, metals.

Sure, and they'll hold their value even in this scenario. But (other than the hedge funds) I suspect many people investing in these ICOs aren't big investors in those, and even among those that are, I doubt they'd like to see their checking account become worthless.

It's the penny stocks of the 21st century. And some Ponzi thrown in there for good measure. What is brilliant is how these schemes capture the imaginations of the right people (tech-savvy Millenials) and then shears them like sheep. Not that I agree with the ethics of it or the optics, for the matter. It's just a classic ripoff with a technological backstory.

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A huge proportion of the ICOs I investigate turn out to be pure facade. It's amazing to me just how quickly this con was honed and formalized, but I guess people have always been good at aping when it comes to get-rich-quick bandwagons. The standard ICO consists solely of: 1) A slick website. 2) A well-produced video. 3) A whitepaper that discusses trivially standard blockchain features and goals. No differentiation…

What % of ICOs are seemingly legitimate? I see advertisements for ICOs on reddit and other tech websites all the time, and I have yet to find one that doesn't look incredibly shady.

It rounds to 0%.

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I liquidated all of my ether today. While I appreciate the potential of the technology, in my own opinion it is just too susceptible to market manipulations currently and there is too much uncertainty. I could be wrong but I am comfortable with that. I will reinvest the profits in a vanguard fund where at least I know the 1000 pound gorilla manipulating the market is on my side. Kind of... To those staying in, I wish…

may I ask why you liquidated, especially with PoS approaching?
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