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Launch HN: Forever Labs (YC S17) – Stem-Cell Banking

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Re: Launch HN: Forever Labs (YC S17) – Stem-Cell Banking

#51
Curious your thoughts on the rate of acceleration of:

- the technology required to utilize stem cells for therapies

vs

- the technology required to generate stem cells from somatic cells

To my mind those two technologies likely overlap significantly. I am curious where do you see the most likely divergence. Or, in other words, what particular new technologies would you like to see come to fruition that would enable banked stem cells to be put to immediate uses without the requirement for a full-blown arbitrary genetic manipulation suite.

Re: Launch HN: Forever Labs (YC S17) – Stem-Cell Banking

#52
post #48

What an amazing idea. What sorts of research you doing internally? Anything on long-term storage? I assume you're at least collecting periodic data. Congrats on your good work and execution!

Thanks!

We do perform QA on samples post-freeze process.

We are working on some uses of these cells for rejuvenation purposes. We will be sharing specifics on that in the coming months. Here are a couple of posts that I made about one experiment:

https://foreverlabs.com/blogs/news/health-maintenance-we-can... https://foreverlabs.com/blogs/news/donating-youth-to-yoursel...

Re: Launch HN: Forever Labs (YC S17) – Stem-Cell Banking

#53
post #21

I thought extracting bone marrow was very painful. Can you comment on the procedure and pain involved?

The speed of extraction helps determine the intensity. If it's very slow it's a mild sharp pain - difficult to describe otherwise. If it's extracted too quickly that mild sharpness becomes super intense. It's an interesting experience.

Re: Launch HN: Forever Labs (YC S17) – Stem-Cell Banking

#54
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We currently have enough clients that the annual storage fees paid in more than cover the costs of our repository. We are actively pursuing two options to address this possibility: 1) The cell banking service is a separate entity, and all of us who have banked continue to pay into that entity keeping it funded, even if Forever Labs were to dissolve, and 2) An insurance policy covers long-term storage if Forever Labs…

What about redundancy? I'd like an option to bank at multiple locations.

I'd assume perhaps with different organizations as well, so if one organization becomes say unresponsive - then you have access to another source?

Re: Launch HN: Forever Labs (YC S17) – Stem-Cell Banking

#55
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We currently have enough clients that the annual storage fees paid in more than cover the costs of our repository. We are actively pursuing two options to address this possibility: 1) The cell banking service is a separate entity, and all of us who have banked continue to pay into that entity keeping it funded, even if Forever Labs were to dissolve, and 2) An insurance policy covers long-term storage if Forever Labs…

What about redundancy? I'd like an option to bank at multiple locations.

We've had a few clients ask about this. It's something that were will likely offer in the future. Our biorepository is currently in MA.

Re: Launch HN: Forever Labs (YC S17) – Stem-Cell Banking

#56
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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We collect 60mL. There are normally about 10-15M nucleated cells recovered per mL of bone marrow. Stem cell counts are typically 0.01% of this (MSCs are about 1000/mL). We bank the cells in multiple chambers (3 larger ones, 5-6 smaller ones) so that you can draw them up multiple times. As they can be greatly expanded, it is our intent that the cells be grown to large numbers and then those portions cryopreserved. As…

Can you clarify what negative effects of expansion means? Thanks

If expanded over many passages in culture, the cells can degrade, much like they do due to age. For this reason, it is advantageous to start with sufficient numbers (thousands), rather than a few cells. However, as mentioned, we have improved culture conditions greatly in the last decade (ex. growing mesenchymal stem cells in a 3D matrix rather than flat on plates), which has extended our ability to generate more cells.

Re: Launch HN: Forever Labs (YC S17) – Stem-Cell Banking

#57
post #51

Curious your thoughts on the rate of acceleration of: - the technology required to utilize stem cells for therapies vs - the technology required to generate stem cells from somatic cells To my mind those two technologies likely overlap significantly. I am curious where do you see the most likely divergence. Or, in other words, what particular new technologies would you like to see come to fruition that would enable b…

That's an interesting question that is difficult to answer in brief. I believe I covered it a bit in a Google Talk I gave that was posted a couple of days ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSRqd1JfoaI

In short, I see storing your youthful multipotent biology giving you an early onramp on pluripotent stem cell induction, however I am not as optimistic as some. Biology is complex and there are blind spots to intervention. We still struggle with male-pattern baldness.

I can say that we are working on what I would like to see come to fruition. That is, take our younger cells, and rejuvenate the bone marrow niche, using our young bone marrow as bone marrow. In addition to that simple 'heterochronic transplantation', I intend to determine how we can improve upon it. Some realistic avenues are 1) removal of resident senescent cells and 2) rejuvenation of the cells ex vivo prior to reintroduction.

Re: Launch HN: Forever Labs (YC S17) – Stem-Cell Banking

#58
post #36

What's the rough one-time cost for storage, if anyone knows? Also, what's the optimal age range to store these?

Cost can vary between markets, but it's generally around $2,500 for collection, plus $250/year for cryo-storage. If you don't want to pay for yearly storage, there is a lifetime storage plan for $7,000 which includes collection, and as the name suggests, lifetime storage as well.

Optimal age is addressed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15386117

Re: Launch HN: Forever Labs (YC S17) – Stem-Cell Banking

#59

Is this service necessary only because of US legal restrictions about growing stem cells in a lab? I'd even be interested to know just your general take on US vs International regulations on stem cell research and if it affected how you built Foreverlabs.

Edward with FL here.

To answer your question, no. Because our stem cell niche degrades over time, we perceive a strong value of banking to come from the delta between when you banked, and when you employ your younger biology in future applications. The current regulatory environment doesn't change that calculus.

Also, we wouldn't want to expand/grow your sample before freezing anyway. The particulars of the expansion itself could change depending on the application, so we want to preserve them in a state that will afford the broadest range of future use.

Regarding the second half, I'll let Mark jump in when he comes back if he wishes. In the lab, he's had over a decade and half to muse about the regulatory environment. I can tell you that as we see it, we're near the cusp of where cellular therapies begin to transition from the clinic to the marketplace.

Re: Launch HN: Forever Labs (YC S17) – Stem-Cell Banking

#60
post #21

I thought extracting bone marrow was very painful. Can you comment on the procedure and pain involved?

I've had an aspiration done. It was mostly just uncomfortable 3/10, with a few moments of pretty sharp pain more like a 6/10. However, those moments were brief and it was totally fine afterwards.

I also turned down some more potent painkillers beforehand, so if I had taken those instead of just the local anesthetic, it likely would have been less unpleasant.

Mild discomfort followed for a few days and within a week or so I had forgotten about it.

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