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Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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From the following NYT's article: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/29/opinion/mark-zuckerberg-f...

"Are you bothered by fake news, systematic misinformation campaigns and Facebook “dark posts” — micro-targeted ads not visible to the public — aimed at African-Americans to discourage them from voting? You must be one of those people “upset about ideas” you disagree with.

Are you troubled when agents of a foreign power pose online as American Muslims and post incendiary content that right-wing commentators can cite as evidence that all American Muslims are sympathizers of terrorist groups like the Islamic State? Sounds like you can’t handle a healthy debate.

Does it bother you that Russian actors bought advertisements aimed at swing states to sow political discord during the 2016 presidential campaign, and that it took eight months after the election to uncover any of this? Well, the marketplace of ideas isn’t for everyone."

Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

#52
Is this an issue with Facebook, or an issue with the society that has yielded the wild success of Facebook?

"I read it on the internet, so it must be true."

Everybody would know I was joking, yet all of this is only an issue precisely because people are insufficiently critical of the things they read. But I'm leaving off an important part of that sentence: ... people are insufficiently critical of the things they read when such things confirm their own biases. People believe what they believe because they believe that is the most logical view to have. That causes people to turn off their filter when seeing something that confirms that belief.

Somebody censoring a belief or attaching an appeal to an arbitrary authority declaring it false isn't going to change people's minds. If anything, it could very well strengthen their resolve as they feel as though they're being oppressed or attacked. There needs to be more cordial debate and discussion between differing groups. I am not suggesting promoting a false balance, but rather pointing out that what we have now is a false balance. So many topics are optically homogenous - which gives participants and readers a gross misunderstanding of reality and leads both to less questioning of their own views, and a lack of understanding of how anybody could ever disagree with them.

Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree that the head of an online advertising company has more power than the POTUS.

The POTUS has 300 million users. Facebook has 2 billion.

The POTUS has nukes and one of the most highly trained and best-equipped militaries in the world. Facebook can be shutdown by POTUS in an instant.

Power is not measured by “users.”

Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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post #53
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The POTUS has 300 million users. Facebook has 2 billion.

The POTUS has nukes and one of the most highly trained and best-equipped militaries in the world. Facebook can be shutdown by POTUS in an instant. Power is not measured by “users.”

Shockingly, my post was quickly downvoted a few times. Seems that several HN users also think that Zuck has more power than Trump.

Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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post #22

> “We have been working to ensure the integrity of the German elections this weekend,” Zuckerberg writes. Excuse me, what? As an advertising company, you don't ensure the integrity of a sovereign nation's election. You can at most abstain from unduly interfering with it (and of course you should, it's not particularly laudable or supererogatory).

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Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

#56
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> “We have been working to ensure the integrity of the German elections this weekend,” Zuckerberg writes. Excuse me, what? As an advertising company, you don't ensure the integrity of a sovereign nation's election. You can at most abstain from unduly interfering with it (and of course you should, it's not particularly laudable or supererogatory).

  Facebook has grown so big, and become so totalizing, that we 
  can’t really grasp it all at once. Like a four-dimensional 
  object, we catch slices of it when it passes through the 
  three-dimensional world we recognize.
This is an incredible bit of prose. It reads like a description of some kind of future mega-corporation from a Gibson novel, and it's mind-bending to contemplate that we really do live in that universe.

Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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post #53
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The POTUS has 300 million users. Facebook has 2 billion.

The POTUS has nukes and one of the most highly trained and best-equipped militaries in the world. Facebook can be shutdown by POTUS in an instant. Power is not measured by “users.”

Is the mainstream media powerful in that they can shape opinion?

If yes, then Facebook must necessarily be powerful by the same metric.

If no, why not?

Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

#58
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, that would _slow down_ fake news a bit. That's all.

You say that like it's a bad thing. Do I need to mention the nirvana fallacy again? ;) Maybe I'll phrase it differently: don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

Slowing down fake news is a good thing, and nothing is perfect, which was rather my point too. The grandparent poster states that "(facebook) should not be a platform for propaganda", an absolute statement implying that it is desirable to keep _all_ "propaganda" off facebook (it might be, assuming you can define propaganda) and that it is also reasonably possible to do so (a lot less likely).

I take the point about paid ads, but that does not cover all of "propaganda" any more.

Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The POTUS has nukes and one of the most highly trained and best-equipped militaries in the world. Facebook can be shutdown by POTUS in an instant. Power is not measured by “users.”

Is the mainstream media powerful in that they can shape opinion? If yes, then Facebook must necessarily be powerful by the same metric. If no, why not?

The US just had a national election where every mainstream media outlet fervently supported the losing candidate.

In any case, even if the MSM effectively shapes public opinion, the POTUS commands the armed forces.

Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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I think Facebook should not be allowed to advertise anything other than commercial products/services. It should not be a platform for propaganda.

Where do you draw the line? If I share something political, am I advertising? If I can't share it, which topics am I forbidden from discussing exactly? What if I only saw this political article because someone else promoted it? What if was one-sided or even false? How does Facebook detect that? There are no easy answers to "keeping propaganda off Facebook" or twitter, while allowing people to talk politics.

The grandparent's reaction is a bit unkempt.

I suggest that it is very possible that Facebook, with its access to something like 1 billion MAUs, needs to be regulated, and regulated possibly differently than companies before it. The FEC has some rules for political ads with respect to the Internet, but I am in favor of revisiting those to see what rules need to be established for the greater good of the public

>There are no easy answers to "keeping propaganda off Facebook"

It appears that Russians bought $100,000 worth of ads, so that is some place to start looking that is wholly different than a discussion on politics of users.

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