It would be nice to see a table of the things one cannot legally say in different countries.
That would be fascinating.
Things You Cannot Say on China’s Internet
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#52Why is western media so concerned about China when their own government ramped up their control over their own people ? And hackernews mostly westerners going ga ga over this. You should be concerned about what’s happening at your home than what’s happening in some other country. Stop policing the world. There is a proverb, fix the dust in your eye before trying to fix the dirt in someone else’s.
Is our freedom of speech being censored online here? It's a good start that we can talk about this very subject.
Thats the only freedom you people have right now. It will be gone soon with the way your country is heading. Making it mandatory to reveal social media accounts for starters.
A country like China can protect its citizens from external propogandas. This propagandists include countries which are envious of the growth that China has achieved.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you're talking about "obedience" in general though, then some equally valid examples of rules someone might ask you to obey would include "don't murder people" and "don't do drugs". "Obedience" is far too broad of a term for you to characterize it as outright good or bad entirely.
Following laws is not "obedience", as long as laws are reasonably consistent and universally enforced. Also, "don't do drugs" is not usually a law, unless in repressive jurisdictions. You can't sell drugs and perhaps possess large quantities, but you can do drugs as an adult making choices.
Perhaps you could clarify what you mean when you say "obedience" then, because it seems to me that you and I have very different definitions of what that is.
Google defines obedience as:
> compliance with an order, request, or law or submission to another's authority
So going by that definition, following the law is indeed "obedience". Similarly, complying with a court order would also be "obedience", as would pulling over to the side of the road when a police officer drives behind you with their lights and siren on, or listening to a lifeguard at a pool when they tell everyone to get out of the water.
In fact, if we're going by the dictionary definition of obedience, I would argue that obedience is necessary for the very existence of civilized society.
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#54Why is Nytimes so concerned about China while failing completely to put the spotlight on the burgeoning surveillance culture at home? Who is going to talk about draconian surveillance, secret courts, secret orders, gag orders and government officials empowered to violate your dignity and privacy by searching your phone and personal effects. Why is Snowden still in Russia? Are we to pretend all this is not happening?…
Even if you were right, wouldn't it be a great example of where the general direction of internet regulation in the West is headed?
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Following laws is not "obedience", as long as laws are reasonably consistent and universally enforced. Also, "don't do drugs" is not usually a law, unless in repressive jurisdictions. You can't sell drugs and perhaps possess large quantities, but you can do drugs as an adult making choices.
Perhaps you could clarify what you mean when you say "obedience" then, because it seems to me that you and I have very different definitions of what that is. Google defines obedience as: > compliance with an order, request, or law or submission to another's authority So going by that definition, following the law is indeed "obedience". Similarly, complying with a court order would also be "obedience", as would pullin…
I mean trying to internalize other entity's commands as your own behaviour.
That's the idea behind Chinese "points for obedience" system, isn't it?
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is our freedom of speech being censored online here? It's a good start that we can talk about this very subject.
Thats the only freedom you people have right now. It will be gone soon with the way your country is heading. Making it mandatory to reveal social media accounts for starters. A country like China can protect its citizens from external propogandas. This propagandists include countries which are envious of the growth that China has achieved.
Brainwashing is where all evil begins. If you do not have the ability to think for yourself, and seek the opinions of others, you have nothing.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps you could clarify what you mean when you say "obedience" then, because it seems to me that you and I have very different definitions of what that is. Google defines obedience as: > compliance with an order, request, or law or submission to another's authority So going by that definition, following the law is indeed "obedience". Similarly, complying with a court order would also be "obedience", as would pullin…
I mean trying to internalize other entity's commands as your own behaviour. That's the idea behind Chinese "points for obedience" system, isn't it?
Hmm... perhaps the term you're looking for is "blind obedience"? I don't think the word "obedience" on its own accurately describes what you're trying to convey.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps you could clarify what you mean when you say "obedience" then, because it seems to me that you and I have very different definitions of what that is. Google defines obedience as: > compliance with an order, request, or law or submission to another's authority So going by that definition, following the law is indeed "obedience". Similarly, complying with a court order would also be "obedience", as would pullin…
I mean trying to internalize other entity's commands as your own behaviour. That's the idea behind Chinese "points for obedience" system, isn't it?
Following the law? Isn't that just "obeying the law"? (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/obedient)
I don't think being obedient and "trying to internalize other entity's command as your own behaviour" is the exact same thing (one might overlap - that I agree).
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#59Why is Nytimes so concerned about China while failing completely to put the spotlight on the burgeoning surveillance culture at home? Who is going to talk about draconian surveillance, secret courts, secret orders, gag orders and government officials empowered to violate your dignity and privacy by searching your phone and personal effects. Why is Snowden still in Russia? Are we to pretend all this is not happening?…
> Why is Nytimes so concerned about China It isn't. It's an article called "68 Things You Cannot Say on China’s Internet", out of many thousands of articles on the site. Naturally, that article will be about China: it is typical for an article to cover a specific topic. One should not expect all articles a newspaper publishes to cover all criticisms of the government of the country in which that newspaper is incorpor…
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean trying to internalize other entity's commands as your own behaviour. That's the idea behind Chinese "points for obedience" system, isn't it?
Following the law? Isn't that just "obeying the law"? ( http://www.dictionary.com/browse/obedient ) I don't think being obedient and "trying to internalize other entity's command as your own behaviour" is the exact same thing (one might overlap - that I agree).
For example, I am obeying the law that disallow taking bribes all the time because nobody ever tries to bribe me.
I hope you don't laugh because that's exactly you are trying to convey.
No that doesn't work that way, and dictionary won't help you. For starters, you should understand the distinction between action and inaction.
Then you should take on personal borders topic.