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Re: Request for Education Startups

#51
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I know it doesn't fall neatly into any of those categories, but I'd love some feedback on my idea: I want to create an organization that is essentially a 6 week retreat for students before they begin college. Selecting the best applicants possible, they will go through rigorous training to become their most successful selves, covering Academics, Social life, Health, and Lifestyle topics. Elements of secrecy will help…

"Selecting the best applicants possible"

I predict stunning success, based on this sentence alone.

That said - I think that providing help for people who are already doing well is nice, but it doesn't really support the real goal of public education: educating (all of) the public.

Unless you're thinking that this will be a great for-profit biz, with the most successfully students+parents most able to pay top dollar for this?

In which case - yeah, you've got a solid idea. It's essentially the same as idea as going to Harvard/Yale/Cornell/etc. If you can get a good round of 'seed families' (students+already successful parents) it just might work.

Re: Request for Education Startups

#52
Something I don't see on the list:

Homeschooling related startups

Big companies can be a unique resource for small, independent operations. In k-12 education, some of the smallest and most independent are homeschooling families.

They need to comply with state laws. They sometimes need to accommodate 2xe students. They need to prove their children actually received an education.

There are no doubt other areas where they could use help. This is often done currently via free websites, free email lists, etc. There is a homeschoolers legal aid group or something. I was a member when I was homeschooling. So, there are some supports already, but it tends to be pretty sparse and a lot is local, homegrown.

Re: Request for Education Startups

#53
post #2

I would love feedback on my project BlockSchool from anyone who is interested in ed-tech! BlockSchool is an online coding school for kids ages 6 to 13. We hire teachers from top colleges and companies like Stanford and Facebook, and connect them with students who don't have easy access to high-quality instruction. Our classes are conducted via video chat in a fun 3D block-based world where everything can be controlle…

Hey Tony - I've been planning on reaching out to you. I've run Breakout Mentors (https://breakoutmentors.com/) for almost 7 years now (mostly Bay Area, some online) so one of the longest for the hot kid coding space. Plus started the CoderDojo Silicon Valley chapter (http://www.coderdojosv.org/) and ran the tech side of things for a few years. Hit me up at brian@breakoutmentors.com

Re: Request for Education Startups

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming parents even have adequate information to make good choices, this seems like a surefire way to create wildly unbalanced classes. Giving difficult students to a bad teacher doesn't "punish" the bad teacher - it just creates a dysfunctional learning environment for the students who need it most . I would seriously question the ethical resolve of my kid's school if they used such a system.

Adequate information - Do you think principals have adequate information? If so, why couldn't they just provide it to the parents then? Besides, there are many tools such as feedback reviews + word of mouth which would help with the information asymmetry. Unbalanced classes - Classes may currently have balance within the school, but there is already a massive inbalance between schools. And why do we assume that all c…

Adequate information - Do you think principals have adequate information?

About the relative quality of teachers? Yes. They absolutely do as the monitoring/mentoring of teachers is a prime function of a school's administration.

If so, why couldn't they just provide it to the parents then?

For the same reason that any employer doesn't publicly release performance reviews to their clients? Are performance reviews public information in your work place?

Besides, there are many tools such as feedback reviews + word of mouth which would help with the information asymmetry.

Ratemyteacher/Ratemyprofessor have been around forever. They do

Unbalanced classes - Classes may currently have balance within the school, but there is already a massive inbalance between schools.

Your comments were not about balancing students/teachers between different schools so I'm sure what you're going for here.

And why do we assume that all classrooms should have an equal distribution of IQ? Colleges do the opposite - they purposely exclude lower IQs.

Higher education and k12 have intrinsically different missions. Public k12 schools are legally required to teach every student who walks through the door. They are also increasingly punished for failing to show educational growth for every student, regardless of that student's abilities and/or desire to learn.

Colleges not only get to exclude students that don't meet their requirements, they have no obligation to see that those students learn. If a student fails a college course it is patently assumed that the failure is the student's fault. K12 education isn't provided with that luxury (appropriately, IMO).

Difficult students going to bad teachers - Maybe this is how it would turn out. I'm not sure.

If you're creating a competitive, zero-sum game. Your wealthy/highly engaged parents will already assure that their students will be well supported (and take active benefit of legal devices to ensure that they are e.g. medical referrals/504 plans/etc.). By creating an explicit mechanism to further sort students based on their ability to bid financially for particular teachers you are intentionally skewing the playing field. You may not be sure, but I have zero doubt that your scheme - intended to "punish bad teachers" - would result in difficult/poor/reluctant students being placed into one class with a teacher who is inexperienced or otherwise less popular. Were that to happen, it could very quickly become a violation of the Equal Education Opportunities Act. Good luck at that rodeo.

(But even if it did, it would be even more of an incentive for teachers to perform better - just a thought). I would be hesitant to predict any specific outcome of this scheme, only that teachers would be more inclined to provide the service that parents actually want.

Dude - five tough students in a class of thirty is already a huge hurdle, even for experienced and professional teachers. Your system would not incentive teachers to improve. They would simply quit.

You're also assuming that there is some large deficit of effort between successful and unsuccessful teachers - as if unsuccessful teacher are just kicking their heels up on the desk all day. This is fallacious assumption. You may not believe it - but teaching is a complicated, difficult job.

Ethical grounds - I would question the ethical resolve of any school that isn't open to whatever system will help students best.

If the system itself is unethical then no ethical professionals will employ it.

Re: Request for Education Startups

#56
I really hope this isn't driven by a desire to capitalize on the coming wave of school privatization under DeVos. What she and her compatriots have done to Michigan's school system is not only a tragedy for the communities they serve, but also a demonstrable failure:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/betsy-devos-michigan-s...

Tech lipstick on underperforming, segregated, for-profit schools isn't going to make them any prettier.

Re: Request for Education Startups

#57

PLEASE have someone with an education background on your team. (Preferably classroom experience.) Don't assume what teachers want and need. Don't just survey teachers. Get them on your team and have them help steer your product development.

If you closely followed this advice, I don't think Kahn academy would have been invented. What teachers want and what students needs are not the same.

Perhaps, but KA is a supplement - not a replacement for - more traditional in-person educational experiences.

Re: Request for Education Startups

#58

These all seem to be assuming the institution-teacher-student model of education we have today. Even the "New school models" section is assuming a delivered experience, which has an institutional bent. I think biggest area of disruption in education would be in building fundamentally new architectures for educational systems, based on networks and social communities instead of funnels and institutions. The latter hav…

The way to achieve your goals would be through lobbying your local school district, state education agency, and state legislature (if your American). A startup has limited power and no legal authority to change the public education system.

I don't think this needs to be directly tied to public education. My concern is more that educational startups tend to assume an institutional model (i.e an institutions defines what is being learned, how it's being learned etc etc). They don't need to change public education but rather create services that embody a different educational paradigm.

For example a matchmaking service for shared learning goals or interests could for sure be within the power of a startup. Something like 42[0] but without a fixed institution. Or community level organized learning environments for various subjects. Or even to go more in the vien of Papert and Turtle, a npm type system but with a strict pedagogical focus.

There's a ton of systems that can be hugely powerful without depending on a classroom model or a school/institution. And there's no reason these can't be as impactful or more as systems and services targeted towards public/institutional education.

[0] https://www.42.us.org/

Re: Request for Education Startups

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These all seem to be assuming the institution-teacher-student model of education we have today. Even the "New school models" section is assuming a delivered experience, which has an institutional bent. I think biggest area of disruption in education would be in building fundamentally new architectures for educational systems, based on networks and social communities instead of funnels and institutions. The latter hav…

The way to achieve your goals would be through lobbying your local school district, state education agency, and state legislature (if your American). A startup has limited power and no legal authority to change the public education system.

Or just collect enough money to send your kids to an alternative school - be it a web, spiral, or funnel one.
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