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Re: Pitching your early-stage startup

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What I wrote above is for the HN audience and is not what I ever sent to a VC. But for concise: --- Executive Summary, Elevator Pitch --- There are about 3 billion Internet users in the world. There is a problem (I can explain very quickly but won't explain in public yet but have explained to lots of VCs) that is pressing for essentially all those users but so far solved at best poorly. I have developed an excellent,…

What problem are you solving? If you won't explain it in public, it is suspect. (And why do you need VC at all if you can get this going that cheaply?)

I don't want to explain the problem yet in public, but I've explained it beautifully clearly to essentially every VC anyone could name without a list.

My work is not "suspect"; instead, my e-mail messages are nearly all just totally ignored, short, long, technical or not, etc. Clearly, bluntly VCs just don't read unsolicited e-mail.

VCs are so consistent on this point that I have to suspect that mostly their LPs insist on it. The LPs want to think a lot like commercial bankers, want something fairly tangible as an asset. To them, paper plans, running software, analysis, explanations, etc. don't count. The LPs don't want to trust their VCs and, instead, want to trust the market, e.g., via traction. The LPs are convinced that a startup that has traction significant and growing rapidly will soon come crawling to some VCs looking for equity funding for the big, explosive growth, go to market, scale up, build out, put 100 people on it right away, etc. Maybe that idea used to be fairly solid; it's not now.

You are correct: I don't need equity funding. In the past, $100,000 after BoD, legal, accounting, etc. expenses would have helped, but it hasn't been essential. Now a check could be good to have just as an umbrella for a rainy day. Also I've wanted to get some VC feedback, but they won't do that.

But I gave up on VCs. Here I'm pushing back against the OP -- my experience is really strong, write VCs anything you want from the OP, and it will just be ignored if only because VCs refuse to read unsolicited e-mail. For a warm introduction, if you have some of the best, then VCs won't know them. If you are a solo founder and have the traction the VCs want, then likely you don't need the VCs or their check and very much don't want their vesting schedule or to report to a BoD with them controlling it.

Uh, lots of main street businesses, e.g., pizza carryouts, never get equity funding. Well, my startup is much cheaper to start in capex than a pizza carryout, auto repair, auto body repair, dentist's office, lumber yard, McDonald's, grass mowing service, well drilling company, etc. So a Web startup can be one heck of an advantage and good business opportunity.

VCs are just waiting for traction and, really, hearing about the company from just common sources but other than the company. That filter may have worked for them in the past, but it's not in the OP!

But now, it can be so cheap to start a company, e.g., with a sole founder who does all the work, that the traction filter fails: By the time a solo founder gets such traction, they won't want, need, or accept a term sheet, vesting schedule (to get back over four years some of the stock in the company they own 100% of now), and BoD (a big sink for time, money, and effort -- uh, guess who pays the travel expenses for the BoD members?).

My point here is just to push back against the OP: That description tells entrepreneurs lots of stuff that won't work simply because (A) VCs won't read unsolicited e-mail, no matter what it says and (B) want traction, so much that a solo founder with a good project and that much traction won't take the check.

I'm doing the HN audience a big favor: Don't waste your time.

Re: Pitching your early-stage startup

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Often, that LLC will have important IP that isn't trivial to convert. (Hence paying the lawyers way more than $500 to fix it). What's the advantage of doing it in 2 (expensive!) steps if you know the plan already?

> convert? I'd wonder about that. But, all the IP is on just a little portable, USB interface, hard drive I own, so I bring a copy with me when the C-corp is formed? Shhh, don't tell anyone! For two steps, easy: For a solo founder and 100% owner, an LLC is a total sweetheart and a C-corp. with a BoD is a forever continuing total pain in the back side. So, very much do not want a C-corp until need it for equity fundin…

Besides, one option is to leave the intellectual property in the LLC and lease it to the C-corp!

Re: Pitching your early-stage startup

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As I've explained in overwhelming detail in this thread, I sent about 800 e-mail messages to VCs and got back essentially nothing. What I sent was never like what I posted here for the technical HN audience. For nearly all the 800 or so, I started with something very short, e.g., an executive summary or an elevator pitch . I gave a sample below at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15283099 and will repeat it for y…

Here is some constructive criticism for your pitch. * It needs to be specific on what you are building. The Stripe blog post talks about that and gives good examples. * Avoid flowery prose like your first sentence, and "BTW speak" such as inside the parentheses. * Avoid talking about or implying the need for an NDA such as inside the parentheses. That is the fastest way to get ignored. * Avoid unrealistic claims like…

I've done all that. It doesn't make any difference. I explained more, and more carefully here, but that was just for the HN audience.

Why not make any difference? (1) They will nearly never pay any attention at all to unsolicited e-mail. (2) If they do read anything, they will essentially always look for something about traction and not seeing that will junk the e-mail.

The reactions about traction are so uniform that I have to conclude that they all have a common source, and that would be VCs agreeing (required to agree) with their LPs, and the LPs coming together to agree on traction, etc.

I don't write such involved prose to VCs with, e.g., lots of details in parentheses. I accept that VCs want to zip through text at about the fourth grade reading level.

I've never mentioned an NDA to a VC, and I doubt that a VC would want to look at my core math or have it reviewed outside -- my guess is that VCs just don't do that. I mention the math because without it there's no way known to accomplish what my work does.

For the $1 T, that's easy enough to justify at the back of the envelope level: Assume 1 billion people connect for a few sessions a week with each session from a few minutes to 30 minutes or so. On average, each session shows them about 5 ads per page for about 20 pages, 100 ads. Assume the Mary Meeker $2 per 1000 ads displayed. Assume a reasonable P/E. Multiply it out for yourself. If assume more, especially better ad targeting, which my data and math permits, then can get several times $1 T. For a back of the envelope estimate, the $1 T is fine. Look, it's simple: My work is an excellent, the first good, solution, so far with the best solutions poor, for a pressing problem for essentially every user of the Internet in the world. We're not talking niche here, or just teenagers, or just dog lovers, cooks, restaurant fans, etc. For the more advanced countries, get maybe as a standard Internet application 1 billion people. Then multiply that out. There's nothing outrageous about the $1 T.

Okay, I'll do the back of the envelope arithmetic for you:

Assume 1 billion users from the more developed countries. On average each connects to the site 3 times a week. Each connection lasts on average 30 minutes where they see an average of 5 standard sized ads per Web page and see 20 Web pages. The revenue is KPCB Mary Meeker's $2 per 1000 ads displayed. So revenue is

     12 * 1 * 10**9 * 5 * 20* 3 * 4 * 2  /
     1000 = 28,800,000,000
a year. That's nearly all pre-tax earnings; the opex and capex are in the round off numbers.

Assume have 40:1 P/E (I'm ignoring tax details here) for a market capitalization of

     40 * 12 * 1 * 10**9 * 5 * 20* 3 * 4 * 2
     / 1000 = 1,152,000,000,000
So, in round numbers that's $1.2 T.

With the good data from the users and some more math of mine, I should be able to do better ad targeting and get, maybe, $6 per 1000 ads displayed for market capitalization of

     40 * 12 * 1 * 10**9 * 5 * 20* 3 * 4 * 6
     / 1000 = 3,456,000,000,000
or $3.5 T.

There are some options for some virality that should raise the 3 visits a week to 6 for

     40 * 12 * 1 * 10**9 * 5 * 20 * 6 * 4 * 6
     / 1000 = 6,912,000,000,000
or $7 T.

Gee, it's just simple arithmetic.

With some resulting changes in culture, such as we've seen often enough in information technology in the last 10-20 years, the numbers could go several times higher, but I'll omit that.

Okay, I only get 500 million users and only $3.5 T.

Lots of people see the problem; they don't say anything about it because they see it as like death and taxes, something that can't be fixed. They assume the problem can't be solved because they don't have even as much as a weak little hollow hint of a tiny clue about how to solve the problem. That's common, standard: E.g., Henry Ford said "If I'd asked people what they wanted, they would have said a faster horse." Well, they didn't believe in a faster horse and had no clue about a car. So, they didn't say anything. It's that way on the Internet now; people don't see a solution so don't say anything. Same for the Internet itself before the Internet.

Uh, some original applied math processing some good data can be some good stuff. The US DoD has known that for a long time; so has the NSF; VCs have yet to learn this lesson.

At one time a VC could have had 20% of my company for $500,000. Not now!

That would have been

     0.20 * 3.5 * 10**12 / 500,000 =
     1,400,000
ROI. The VCs ignored me. Hundreds of them.

Lesson to HN readers: VCs are low quality people, losers; don't waste time with them.

I'm no longer looking for VC funding; it's hopeless. I don't really need VC funding. So, my point here is to do a big favor for HN readers and push back against a lot in the OP.

Re: Pitching your early-stage startup

#54
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What problem are you solving? If you won't explain it in public, it is suspect. (And why do you need VC at all if you can get this going that cheaply?)

I don't want to explain the problem yet in public, but I've explained it beautifully clearly to essentially every VC anyone could name without a list. My work is not "suspect"; instead, my e-mail messages are nearly all just totally ignored, short, long, technical or not, etc. Clearly, bluntly VCs just don't read unsolicited e-mail. VCs are so consistent on this point that I have to suspect that mostly their LPs insi…

So why don't you find an individual partner or angel investor with a few 100K to spare?

If your idea is as good as you say, it should be simple. There's plenty of people reading this that could help you.

And I do think it is suspect you won't tell people here what you are doing. (We are not asking how. We don't want the magic / secret sauce.)

Re: Pitching your early-stage startup

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post #33
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Often, that LLC will have important IP that isn't trivial to convert. (Hence paying the lawyers way more than $500 to fix it). What's the advantage of doing it in 2 (expensive!) steps if you know the plan already?

> convert? I'd wonder about that. But, all the IP is on just a little portable, USB interface, hard drive I own, so I bring a copy with me when the C-corp is formed? Shhh, don't tell anyone! For two steps, easy: For a solo founder and 100% owner, an LLC is a total sweetheart and a C-corp. with a BoD is a forever continuing total pain in the back side. So, very much do not want a C-corp until need it for equity fundin…

You seem to be complaining about a product that you are not the target market for. The people who setup a C-Corp from day 1 are interested in raising funds, potentially multiple funds; and later exiting. (or IPOing if they are lucky).

Re: Pitching your early-stage startup

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post #55
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> convert? I'd wonder about that. But, all the IP is on just a little portable, USB interface, hard drive I own, so I bring a copy with me when the C-corp is formed? Shhh, don't tell anyone! For two steps, easy: For a solo founder and 100% owner, an LLC is a total sweetheart and a C-corp. with a BoD is a forever continuing total pain in the back side. So, very much do not want a C-corp until need it for equity fundin…

You seem to be complaining about a product that you are not the target market for. The people who setup a C-Corp from day 1 are interested in raising funds, potentially multiple funds; and later exiting. (or IPOing if they are lucky).

They should have the equity check in the bank before they setup a C-corp.

Re: Pitching your early-stage startup

#57
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to explain the problem yet in public, but I've explained it beautifully clearly to essentially every VC anyone could name without a list. My work is not "suspect"; instead, my e-mail messages are nearly all just totally ignored, short, long, technical or not, etc. Clearly, bluntly VCs just don't read unsolicited e-mail. VCs are so consistent on this point that I have to suspect that mostly their LPs insi…

So why don't you find an individual partner or angel investor with a few 100K to spare? If your idea is as good as you say, it should be simple. There's plenty of people reading this that could help you. And I do think it is suspect you won't tell people here what you are doing. (We are not asking how . We don't want the magic / secret sauce.)

For partners or investors, especially angels, I'm afraid, terrified of the legal issues, time, money, and effort overhead, and disputes.

I intend to announce my beta test on HN. Then HN people will be able to see the problem I'm solving.

Re: Pitching your early-stage startup

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post #53
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is some constructive criticism for your pitch. * It needs to be specific on what you are building. The Stripe blog post talks about that and gives good examples. * Avoid flowery prose like your first sentence, and "BTW speak" such as inside the parentheses. * Avoid talking about or implying the need for an NDA such as inside the parentheses. That is the fastest way to get ignored. * Avoid unrealistic claims like…

I've done all that. It doesn't make any difference. I explained more, and more carefully here, but that was just for the HN audience. Why not make any difference? (1) They will nearly never pay any attention at all to unsolicited e-mail. (2) If they do read anything, they will essentially always look for something about traction and not seeing that will junk the e-mail. The reactions about traction are so uniform tha…

The problem with going around talking about a startup having the potential to be a $1T business is that no current Fortune 500 business is worth that much including Facebook and Google which have your business model. Therefore you look like a fool for asserting yours will be the most successful business ever in the history of human civilization. If you were someone like Bill Gates who has a proven record of founding $10B businesses, then it wouldn't seem so crazy. But for a first-timer, yeah it sounds crazy. In fact, it sounds beyond crazy.

Re: Pitching your early-stage startup

#59
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So why don't you find an individual partner or angel investor with a few 100K to spare? If your idea is as good as you say, it should be simple. There's plenty of people reading this that could help you. And I do think it is suspect you won't tell people here what you are doing. (We are not asking how . We don't want the magic / secret sauce.)

For partners or investors, especially angels, I'm afraid, terrified of the legal issues, time, money, and effort overhead, and disputes. I intend to announce my beta test on HN. Then HN people will be able to see the problem I'm solving.

Looking forward to the beta! I'm excited to see it.

As for the partner / angel problems, can you elaborate about what worries you? Would VCs have the same issues?

Re: Pitching your early-stage startup

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For partners or investors, especially angels, I'm afraid, terrified of the legal issues, time, money, and effort overhead, and disputes. I intend to announce my beta test on HN. Then HN people will be able to see the problem I'm solving.

Looking forward to the beta! I'm excited to see it. As for the partner / angel problems, can you elaborate about what worries you? Would VCs have the same issues?

Experienced VCs would have fewer issues, e.g., over the years on lots of Boards have learned a lot about being a BoD member while avoiding really big Board fights.

Some of what worries me is what I've experienced with VCs so far -- we're not even on the same planet.

E.g., if the business goes well, then soon I will come to the Board with a project for some ad targeting that makes crucial use of the data only we have. The targeting has a shot at being better than what is in the industry now, primarily because the data is different (unique) and we can have better applied math for processing it (uh, my applied math might not apply well to the data, say, our ad networks have).

Why better data? Uh, as above, the data is from those on average 20 Web pages each user sees and the data they enter in response. For more, that data is from the moment and focused, actually usually uniquely well focused. E.g., I may not know what the heck the user had for lunch, but I've discovered that that he's just dreaming of breakfast with apple-cinnamon oatmeal tomorrow, just tomorrow. Presto, bingo, slam, bam, thank you Ma'am, the user gets an ad from General Mills. But it only works just then, and is useless in 24 hours.

So, I come before the BoD with this new project. For the quarterly budget, the BoD will have to approve the project. I'll direct the project but only loosely since I'm still busy being CEO. So, I'll have to hire, basically some good applied mathematicians. There will be some math, maybe some new math, but also a lot of data handling, e.g., digging into the many terabytes of the Web site log files. Might have to write some one-shot code.

The project will likely go for several quarters. The project in total can blow $1 million, more than once. Like most Ph.D. dissertations, it won't be clear just how well it will go or just when it will be done.

But, since the BoD has to approve the budget, they will have to approve the $1 million, some number of times, for some number of quarters. I have in mind roughly how to do it now, but I won't be able to stop my CEO work and will have to hire for 99% of the work.

So, I try to explain to the BoD how the project will go.

Tilt. Halt. Alarms go off. The BoD doesn't like it. They have a fiduciary responsibility to the stockholders, including themselves. No way do they want to spend $1 million at a time, at a pop.

I saw such BoD resistance at FedEx. It was about to kill FedEx. I was the guy who did some computing with a little math that turned the BoD around. Founder, COB, CEO F. Smith said at a senior staff meeting that my work "solved the most important problem facing" the company. Yup, I saved the company from going out of business, literally.

But to me, the FedEx BoD was just bonkers; there was no good reason for their resistance. They were foolish. They couldn't see rationally as far as their hand in front of their face. It was worse than trying to teach the family kitty cat to use the toilet in the garage workshop.

So, on my startup now, as CEO, trying to teach the BoD, I take out full time for half a week, put together a good tutorial dog and pony show, and try to explain what the opportunity is and how the math will go.

There's no way I can explain the math itself directly. Even among Ph.D. math profs, fewer than 10% have the math prerequisites. Among Ph.D. computer science profs, fewer than 1%.

So, since I can't actually use the math, I'll have to work just with analogies and draw some cute pictures to be seen just intuitively.

Maybe I'll get lucky, take a very simple, basically just a first-cut guess, at the math (remember the targeting math is not all done yet!), take some data from the log files, write a little prototype software, get lucky, and show that the targeting works better, say, goes from the Mary Meeker's $2 per 1000 to $4.25 per 1000. Uh, with everything else constant that more than doubles revenue. And, if that works for ads based on actual sales, the result, for those ads, could go to IIRC ballpark $50 per 1000.

That work could take me longer, maybe three weeks away from my CEO duties. I'd have my door closed, and when the COO, head of HR, Chief Counsel, and CFO pounded on the door, I'd have to tell them to work it out on their own.

So, the big day comes, and I pitch to the BoD. Soon they start looking at their smartphones. There is little so painful as listening to an advanced math lecture where don't have even a clue about even the basics, especially when are supposed to understand the stuff, even when I try to make it easy. The first BoD Member gets an urge, soils his chair and the carpet as he rushes to the men's room. Soon I'm the only one in the Board room; all the rest of the BoD has visited the men's room and retired to a bar down the block. There I get a new title, Senior PIA, pain in the ass. The ad targeting project is cancelled. All the BoD Members are pissed.

Later the rest of the BoD Members meet and can't decide what to do, and I've got a big BoD fight on my hands. All the rest of the work stops to settle the BoD fight. The company ship is starting to leak slowly.

So, BoD squabbles.

"Partners"? The famous co-founder disputes, e.g., with the usual, some chance of a nice short term gain but with a risk of a long term loss, say, a big anti-trust issue, a user privacy issue, some accusations of collusion in restraint of trade, pissing off some EU regulator. So, make some extra money for six months and then work off and on for years trying to clean up the mess.

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