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Is There a Cryptocurrency Bubble? Just Ask Doge

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> A group of Bay Area programmers this year used an I.C.O. to raise $35 million for their project, an anonymous web browser called Brave As in Brave, the new browser from Brendan Eich (founder of Mozilla, famously invented JavaScript in 10 days)? Hardly a scam... Either the reporter didn't do their research or twisted the facts to fit their story.

So much this, the whole article is unbelievably biased against crypto (not to say misinformed or intentionally deceitful).

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The utility is a way to send value ~instantly, ~anonymously, relatively inexpensively, and irrevocably from one side of Earth to the other, without any intermediaries. That hasn't existed before.

Shouldn't we consider telecom operators / internet service providers intermediaries?

Pedantically yes, but practically no. It's hard to impossible for ISPs to make use of that position. Much harder than, say, Visa.

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#54
Yes, please spread more FUD about cryptocurriencies. Work for 10 years until you can make the connections to beg for enough money to found your startup. Global capital raising on the blockchain is bad. Only the rich should get richer. Hate on radical ideas getting funded. You are smart. They are dumb. Success can be yours if only you play the game...

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#55
post #41

I have great respect for Kevin Roose, but this was a disappointing piece. Dogecoin was a meme. It gained popularity and is still worth something. Jackson Palmer might not believe it has value, but clearly, there are people who own Doge that think otherwise. There is definite frothiness in the market. Some token sales are scams, some are overpromising, and some that look promising will probably blow up. Take a look at…

What do you do with Dogecoin though? It's market cap is $91MM and yet its creation was a joke.

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#56
post #6

I think there is a difference between a cryptocurrency bubble and an ICO bubble, and this article fails to distinguish between the two. You can see Tom Lee, a financial strategist, talk about Bitcoin here: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/15/bitcoin-could-surge-another-... He points out that there are only 300,000 Bitcoin wallets that hold $5,000 or more. In the grand scheme of things that is very small compared to the o…

> I think there is a difference between a cryptocurrency bubble and an ICO bubble, and this article fails to distinguish between the two.

Not only that, there's no such thing as a "cryptocurrency bubble". There are bubbles for particular cryptocurrencies. Just as there are bubbles for particular investments. But generalizing isn't meaningful.

And furthermore, a focus on cryptocurrency trading is the fundamental problem. People trade fiat currencies, but they don't (as far as I know) trade any fiat currencies that are primarily used for investment, rather than in commerce.

Me, I just want an electronic currency that can be used anonymously. To get paid, and buy stuff. Because actually, I can't convert with fiat currencies without risking anonymity loss. So it goes.

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#57
post #41

I have great respect for Kevin Roose, but this was a disappointing piece. Dogecoin was a meme. It gained popularity and is still worth something. Jackson Palmer might not believe it has value, but clearly, there are people who own Doge that think otherwise. There is definite frothiness in the market. Some token sales are scams, some are overpromising, and some that look promising will probably blow up. Take a look at…

What do you do with Dogecoin though? It's market cap is $91MM and yet its creation was a joke.

Whatever you want. Crypto currencies are the fiat currency end game. Get enough foreign currency cross pollinated via bitcoin (and assuming enough political clout) and the world will suddenly change.

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#58
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without any other comment or value judgement it's just worth pointing out that while the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect is named for Murray Gell-Mann, it doesn't come from him. It's a coinage of the fiction writer Michael Crichton. We should probably call it the Crichton Amnesia Effect, but that doesn't sound as cool.

From his talk: > I refer to it by this name because I once discussed it with Murray Gell-Mann, and by dropping a famous name I imply greater importance to myself, and to the effect, than it would otherwise have.

This might be humblebragging, since Crichton is certainly more famous than Gell-Mann.

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Is there a cryptocurrency bubble? Of. Fucking. Course. Only those who are extremely naive or cryptocurrency zealots could possibly believe otherwise.

Now, here's the core problem preventing people from understanding the reality of the bubble: in almost all bubbles there is still a kernel of honest, real value inside the bubble. That's the impetus for the bubble, but it doesn't prevent the bubble from being a bubble. Housing values during the 2000s were based on a strong economy and increasing demand in some fast growing cities. In some places housing values merely plateaued during the financial crisis, in some they never stopped going up. But, of course, across America there was a vast drop in housing values, a huge increase in foreclosures, and a recession that spread across the entire planet. It was a bubble, the bubble popped, bad things happened.

A decade prior to that was the dot-com bubble. Many new internet businesses were growing like crazy, investment and stock valuations had gone off the deep end, leaving rationality behind. Businesses with no prospects for ever turning a profit were having money rained down on them from VCs and IPOs. Then eventually the bills started coming due, people became more skeptical of dubious business plans, venture capital dried up, stocks started getting dumped. Money stopped flowing so freely from investors into ridiculous startups and from there into the rest of the economy. The entire world economy was pushed into severe recession. But, of course, that doesn't mean there was nothing of value inside the dot-com bubble. Amazon cut its teeth in that era, and grew from a fledgling book store into a fulfillment powerhouse expanding into a variety of goods and services. Easily tens if not hundreds of billions of dollars in real honest to goodness value was built by internet companies during the dot-com boom, and many companies weathered the bust just fine, some even getting stronger. Google was born during the recession, in fact, in an era when basically the only way you made it with a dot-com company was to already be turning a profit or to have a very good and well executed idea.

Of course there is real, substantive valuable stuff happening with cryptocurrency. But is that the majority of what's happening? Or is most of the activity, most of the valuations and "market caps" driven by speculative investment? It's pretty clear that it is the latter and that cryptocurrencies are in a huge bubble. And just as with all bubbles, when it pops it's going to be painful. Maybe something of value will survive? But only then will we know for sure what the true, hard-nosed practical value of cryptocurrencies is.

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post #41

I have great respect for Kevin Roose, but this was a disappointing piece. Dogecoin was a meme. It gained popularity and is still worth something. Jackson Palmer might not believe it has value, but clearly, there are people who own Doge that think otherwise. There is definite frothiness in the market. Some token sales are scams, some are overpromising, and some that look promising will probably blow up. Take a look at…

What do you do with Dogecoin though? It's market cap is $91MM and yet its creation was a joke.

Some people say that moving Value from one exchange to another is cheaper when using DOGE than it would be using Bitcoin.
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