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New oscillator system in Zenith mechanical watches

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Re: New oscillator system in Zenith mechanical watches

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So, these watches are all pre-sold and we can't buy one? When would be able to buy a watch with this innovative mechanism?

This movement is the output of a combined R&D lab for LVMH watch brands (Tag, Zenith, Hublot, Bulgari). So the movement will likely to be rolled out to watches by all of those brands.

Re: New oscillator system in Zenith mechanical watches

#52
post #19

It's likely that this is a paid post. And if that's the case, then I think it's money well-spent, as this is a beautiful post and an effective advertisement.

Only 10 have been made and all have been sold for some exorbant amount, so mostly it’s genuinely motivated coverage of some cool tech.

You've obviously never heard of the concept of a halo product.

Ford doesn't make GT's because they're profitable. They make them to sell Mustangs.

Re: New oscillator system in Zenith mechanical watches

#53
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does the spring drive actually work? What is the mechanism which keeps it moving at a consistent speed? A quick google only turned up rather vague descriptions.

At the heart of every mechanical watch lies a coiled spring. Within that spring energy is stored that wants to be released. This energy is released through the wheel train, which is a set of cogs with reductions (some of them attached to the hands). Left to its own device this system would just spin as quickly as possible until the spring is unwound. To prevent this, somewhere in the train there is something called a…

I understand (roughly!) the basic idea of a watch mechanism, and how mechanical escapements work.

What i don't understand is exactly how the spring drive keeps the wheel moving at a constant speed.

I appreciate that this involves magnets, and eddy currents induced by those magnets, but that's a description, not an explanation. What is the mechanism, physically and mathemetically, that keeps the speed constant?

Re: New oscillator system in Zenith mechanical watches

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the heart of every mechanical watch lies a coiled spring. Within that spring energy is stored that wants to be released. This energy is released through the wheel train, which is a set of cogs with reductions (some of them attached to the hands). Left to its own device this system would just spin as quickly as possible until the spring is unwound. To prevent this, somewhere in the train there is something called a…

I understand (roughly!) the basic idea of a watch mechanism, and how mechanical escapements work. What i don't understand is exactly how the spring drive keeps the wheel moving at a constant speed . I appreciate that this involves magnets, and eddy currents induced by those magnets, but that's a description, not an explanation. What is the mechanism, physically and mathemetically, that keeps the speed constant?

Inertia. The torque applied by electromagnetic force on the rotor plus that of friction and air resistance equals the torque applied (indirectly through a gear train) by the mainspring. The net torque is zero and the rotor keeps going at the same rate of rotation.

The integrated circuit counts how many times the rotor has spun compared to how many quartz crystal oscillations have happened and adjusts the electromagnetic force somehow. My guess is by increasing/decreasing the power passing through some resistor (creating heat).

Re: New oscillator system in Zenith mechanical watches

#55
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do analog watches have any applications to begin with, these days?

EMP resistance. This isn't exactly a practical justification for most uses, of course.

Would they be resistant to EMP, surely you've got lots of possibility for induced currents that will warp/melt fine components sufficiently to damage the watch?

A sundial is what you need.

Re: New oscillator system in Zenith mechanical watches

#57
post #3

I wonder what are the mechanical properties of the case material (aluminium foam filled with plastic). This seems like entirely new class of composites.

This one is super coarse, there are much finer ones:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallic_microlattice

I've played around a bit with such super light metals and aerogels as well, they are very interesting materials with surprising properties.

Re: New oscillator system in Zenith mechanical watches

#58
What interests me about this movement is that it's mechanically simpler than a conventional movement and should eventually be cheaper to produce. We might actually see these in relatively affordable watches rather than sold-out unobtanium stuff. This is a lot more exciting than yet another watch-maker piling on ridiculous numbers of complications to make a watch nobody will ever want to actually wear.

Re: New oscillator system in Zenith mechanical watches

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Not only is the content incredibly interesting, but that website layout is perfect. So clean. The ads page is interesting: > The typical HODINKEE reader holds a master’s degree or higher, browses from his professional office, earns more than $200,000 per year, owns seven watches, and purchases, on average, three watches per year with an average value of $7,000 or higher per watch. An attrition rate of three $7,000 wa…

Hodinkee is a great site! Some of the videos of people discussing their collections and stories are fantastic and well worth checking out.

Do bear in mind though, even very wealthy collectors also regularly sell pieces and 'trade up' over time. You can only wear one watch at time after all... unless you decide to start 'Schwarzkopfing'

Re: New oscillator system in Zenith mechanical watches

#60
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's one basic question I couldn't figure out from the article. Where is the spring that you wind up and that stores the "power reserve of about 60 hours"? Is it part of the silicon? Or is it external? I figured out that the three crescent-shaped parts are springy ("flex laterally to provide a restoring force as the oscillator vibrates through six degrees of amplitude"), but it doesn't look like there's anything e…

This video may help, as you get to see the movement in action: https://youtu.be/xWh0p9Irznw It doesn’t clearly show the mainspring, however at around 10:45 you can see the small gear spinning. That is being driven by the mainspring, and if you removed the escapement it would spin super quick until the mainspring was unwound. It’s the constant rocking back and forth of the regulator that limits the speed that small ge…

Indeed it helped. Thanks.
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