This says learning and studying takes 70 hours a week so perhaps its not working for 70 hours a week, but there's a strong learning component which could be done outside of the job. Working as an ML Engineer there's a good bit of learning outside of the job and reading up on the latest papers which can take a lot of time outside of work.
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#52They work so hard they forgot to test the website on mobile browsers
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#53So basically they are discriminating against people who would like to see their children? 90 hours per week == 12.86 hours per day. That means I clock in close to 7AM and clock out at 8PM every day of the week. This excludes any travel time, meals, etc. My wife called the first two years of graduate school her "grad-student widow years". Even now on occasion I put in that much time, but a consistent 70-90 hour work w…
How is this "discrimination"? You have a choice. You can decide to take the job or not. At least they are up front about it.
For me personally, there isn't enough money you could pay me to work 90 hours a week.
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#55I seem to see this as an upfront declaration on the requirements. I think, this 70+ hours work week involves reading and learning too.
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#56All modern research/studies tend to demonstrate that, beyond 40 hours, productivity does not rise, and, beyond 50 hours, it actually plunge, with quality dropping, employees driven to burn-out, etc. But still, the stupid mantra from the Silicon Valley is "you have to work 80 hours to be successful" Why are these CEO/CTO unable to comprehend studies and adopting a totally irrational position ? https://www.inc.com/tom-…
the name of the game is leveraging explosive, unsustainable growth into a high rate of return into cheap capital into a big payday for founders everything else is long-term
> the name of the game is leveraging explosive, unsustainable growth into a high rate of return into cheap capital into a big payday for founders
I've come to the conclusion this is the case. Has anyone written on this?
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#57If you don't like the job, DONT APPLY. There is absolutely nothing wrong with seeking people who voluntarily wish to work those hours. It is in fact much better than implicitly expecting long working hours like many jobs while not being upfront about it - that can trap people into a deal they did not fully understand. This is the opposite. It may be unsustainable for the vast majority of people (me included) - so wha…
Agree. I think it's fair. I know a lot of companies which state they have work-life balance culture but in reality they are in permanent deadlines and do work in a hurry. They also require more from employees than needed. Many jobs require more involvement than standard 40 hours per week but we don't usually count these additional hours (e.g. learning something, communications, etc).
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#58So basically they are discriminating against people who would like to see their children? 90 hours per week == 12.86 hours per day. That means I clock in close to 7AM and clock out at 8PM every day of the week. This excludes any travel time, meals, etc. My wife called the first two years of graduate school her "grad-student widow years". Even now on occasion I put in that much time, but a consistent 70-90 hour work w…
Not even family life. Any sort of relationship at all? Nope. Any sort of hobbies or things outside of grinding away to get someone else rich? Nope. Why does anyone accept this shit anymore? This guy should be laughed at.
Some people don't care about people.
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#60If you don't like the job, DONT APPLY. There is absolutely nothing wrong with seeking people who voluntarily wish to work those hours. It is in fact much better than implicitly expecting long working hours like many jobs while not being upfront about it - that can trap people into a deal they did not fully understand. This is the opposite. It may be unsustainable for the vast majority of people (me included) - so wha…
This is my industry. I don't want to companies to start expecting a minimum of 70 hours of work for 40 hours of pay. Until they start adding "one-and-a-half compensation for overtime" to these job, I will always see this as a thinly veiled attempt to extract free labor from their employees without paying for it. Companies openly engaging in that kind of behavior worries me, and unless you own a business, it should wo…
I totally understand that - but I don't expect those working at deeplearning.ai will be paid unfairly.
When the job description directly says 70+ hours expected, it puts you in a position to clearly say "Hey since this job will be roughly 70-90 hours, I expect my salary to be commensurate".
Its very different when companies don't clearly state that expectation - that is when the pay problems come in. Its so much worse to advertise a 40 hour job where candidates find out 3 months later how f* they are - those guys deserve the flak for overwork.