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Judge orders tech company to release Web user data from anti-Trump website

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Re: Judge orders tech company to release Web user data from anti-Trump website

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It can't happen here.

Not only can it happen here, but the founders of the country thought it would by the mid 1800s.

Would love to read more about this. A cursory search didn't reveal anything obvious, can you point me in a direction to read more?

Re: Judge orders tech company to release Web user data from anti-Trump website

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I don't think its hyperbole. This is deeply concerning. We're entering a new era of authoritarianism.

More accurately we're entering a new era of politically slanted selective memories. See: The bulk phone data collection programs instituted by the Patriot Act, the vast expansion of NSA data collection (of us all) under the Obama administration, the straight-to-the-wire tapping of critical internet infrastructure and providers such as Google, Microsoft etc. enabled by the establishment of the secret FISA court which…

Spot on. The direction we are moving hasn't changed in a long time.

The problem is that a bit less than half of the country is opposed to these issues at time. After an election cycle the other half will be opposed and those previously opposed will become silent.

Re: Judge orders tech company to release Web user data from anti-Trump website

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I don't think its hyperbole. This is deeply concerning. We're entering a new era of authoritarianism.

More accurately we're entering a new era of politically slanted selective memories. See: The bulk phone data collection programs instituted by the Patriot Act, the vast expansion of NSA data collection (of us all) under the Obama administration, the straight-to-the-wire tapping of critical internet infrastructure and providers such as Google, Microsoft etc. enabled by the establishment of the secret FISA court which…

trends that began years ago have been intensifying recently

Re: Judge orders tech company to release Web user data from anti-Trump website

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Pretend we're talking about Daily Stormer and Charlottesville and I bet you'd see things differently.

Why? Bulk data about visitors do the Daily Stormer wouldn't be very interesting or useful. I'd show up in such a list, for example. If it turns out that the site was used to plan the violence that occurred then more specific warrants for the planners might be useful, but not a blanket "give us everything" one.

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why does the site seem like a place to investigate a riot? were there posters saying "I'm leaving now to go riot"? If there is nothing specific, then why is this allowable at all? And if there is something specific, then why can't they request those specific messages?

DisruptJ20 appears to have been created for the quite specific purpose of organising people to disrupt the presidential inauguration through illegal "direct action" tactics, with particular focus on teaching people to interfere with police checkpoints, resist arrest, etc. (By the way, remember those photos of the endless empty seats at the inauguration parade? The site in question has a post up bragging about how the…

I suspect because it's a complete and utter lie and there's no evidence to support it.

Re: Judge orders tech company to release Web user data from anti-Trump website

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More accurately we're entering a new era of politically slanted selective memories. See: The bulk phone data collection programs instituted by the Patriot Act, the vast expansion of NSA data collection (of us all) under the Obama administration, the straight-to-the-wire tapping of critical internet infrastructure and providers such as Google, Microsoft etc. enabled by the establishment of the secret FISA court which…

Should we not be outraged though? Everything listed in both the patent and the grandparent is worrying to me. I feel like I owe 80% of my identity to my activities and time on the Internet. Many my age feel the same. My home is under attack.

The thing is that it has been under attack for a long time now, and acting as if some new threat is active is disingenuous and partisan.

Re: Judge orders tech company to release Web user data from anti-Trump website

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I'm not really surprised at this. I was in DC for the inauguration at an officially permitted protest. Afterwards I'm heading back on the Metro with a small sign saying "illegitimate president." When I get to the platform level there are several armed people in camoflauge, I'm assuming military, but I'm not 100% positive. I'm told by one of them that I need to leave the station immediately. I responded "is this a jok…

Stuff like this is why we need to have more political discussions on HN. If we don't talk about these issues openly and try to come up with solutions, we will look back and wonder how we managed to spend this era of USA's transition to fascism discussing utterly trivial stuff like the latest JavaScript frameworks.

To paraphrase the famous saying, evil succeeds when good men and women do nothing. I have seen this happen in my own country. Don't want to see it happen in the USA as well.

Re: Judge orders tech company to release Web user data from anti-Trump website

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Pretend we're talking about Daily Stormer and Charlottesville and I bet you'd see things differently.

Not at all. If you have individual user accounts that you want more info on, and have evidence that they used the forum to plan a serious crime, sure that passes muster. Giving the Committee for Public Safety the names and addresses of every single user that registered or posted there, hell no.

It's a website created for the sole purpose of promoting terrorist acts at a certain time and place. I think that's enough to say that every individual user account is suspect. I consistently reject government overreach but this isn't an example of that.

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More accurately we're entering a new era of politically slanted selective memories. See: The bulk phone data collection programs instituted by the Patriot Act, the vast expansion of NSA data collection (of us all) under the Obama administration, the straight-to-the-wire tapping of critical internet infrastructure and providers such as Google, Microsoft etc. enabled by the establishment of the secret FISA court which…

Should we not be outraged though? Everything listed in both the patent and the grandparent is worrying to me. I feel like I owe 80% of my identity to my activities and time on the Internet. Many my age feel the same. My home is under attack.

It is outrageous, but the adult thing to do is to control your outrage and channel it with as much rationality, honesty and balance as you can muster. More outrage supports the escalation of more repression from the left and more resistance from the right.

Outrage creates both Marxists and Nazi's, and IMO both are harmful forces if given too much attention and power. I perceive fascism as the enemy, and both the far-left and the far-right are fascist. We should strive for deescalation and respect for the individual over the group.

Re: Judge orders tech company to release Web user data from anti-Trump website

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> Prosecutors John Borchert and Jennifer Kerkhoff argued that their request had to be somewhat broad because they have no idea who was associated with the rioting through the website until they review the data. For people who think this is wrong, assuming you accept the premise that they should be investigating rioters, what alternative is there to find out who they are?

Law enforcement has no fundamental right to find criminals. If they can't find a criminal within the law, then the criminal goes free. That's fundamental to how our system works.

"They must do X, because it's the only way to catch the bad guy" is a catastrophically bad argument.

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