Aging Japan Wants Automation, Not Immigration

Post by Tsagadai » Wed, Aug 23, 2017, 3:54 AM UTC

matt4077 wrote: post #37

temp-dude-87844 wrote: post #16

Japan has never been one to shy away from high-tech industries, and as the article notes, aesthetic sensibilities towards kawaii robots make this a natural progression for a high-tech, ethnically homogeneous, aging nation. Although Japan was once an imperial power, its reconciliation with its past has not included a transition to a multicultural post-colonial state promoted by intellectuals and practiced by widesprea…

Germany comes to mind as a counterexample: a homogenous nation until the late 1950s, with no colonies to speak of, and jus sanguinis. Yet it transition to a functioning, diverse society today. And Japan is arguably paying a steep price for keeping their blood oh-so-pure: it's a society frozen in tradition and fear, with an economy in what is essentially a 20-year recession. Making robots care for the elderly will jus…

Post by zcbenz » Wed, Aug 23, 2017, 4:07 AM UTC

mikekchar wrote: post #49

This is an opinion piece backed up with practically no information whatsoever. If you want to know about immigration policy in Japan, you need look no further Japan's ministry of foreign affairs website. For example, here are the categories where you can get a long term visa [0] You will notice there is a points system [1]. You need 70 points to get in. A degree gives you 10 points. A salary of ~$100K gives you 40 po…

Post by alphaalpha101 » Wed, Aug 23, 2017, 4:11 AM UTC

Tsagadai wrote: post #51

matt4077 wrote: post #37

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Germany comes to mind as a counterexample: a homogenous nation until the late 1950s, with no colonies to speak of, and jus sanguinis. Yet it transition to a functioning, diverse society today. And Japan is arguably paying a steep price for keeping their blood oh-so-pure: it's a society frozen in tradition and fear, with an economy in what is essentially a 20-year recession. Making robots care for the elderly will jus…

Migration is a significant part of many countries growth. If Australia and New Zealand, for example, did not have such massive migration they would be effectively in serious depression. In both countries migration has added more than 1% to GDP growth for the last 30 years. Merely in recession is kind of surprising as for many other countries with such stagnant or declining population growth (low birthrates and barely…

Post by fiblye » Wed, Aug 23, 2017, 4:12 AM UTC

matt4077 wrote: post #43

fiblye wrote: post #17

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I think the average Japanese person doesn't care about how stale outsiders think they are, and they certainly don't feel like they need a "cure." If anything, society here is reverting more to a norm after being in a massive economic bubble. Really, it's honestly kind of freaky how often I see western media articles about how Japan needs to act now, or they're doomed to fail and their population will vanish. Yet I se…

> If anything, society here is reverting more to a norm after being in a massive economic bubble. So, you're agreeing that Japan is on a long downward slope to economic and technological irrelevance, but you believe the average Japanese would rather accept this than immigration?

Post by mc32 » Wed, Aug 23, 2017, 4:17 AM UTC

sumedh wrote: post #54

derping69 wrote: post #44

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Because the goal of mass immigration of unskilled workers isn't what's best for the country, its to bring in people who will be reliant on the government and thus always vote for more government, thus further consolidating power. Also has the benefit of driving wages down resulting in more natives being reliant on government. If we really needed more workers why wouldn't we incentivize our own citizens to have kids i…

> why wouldn't we incentivize our own citizens to have kids I am assuming by "incentivize" you meaning tax payer funded policies so are you ready to pay more taxes? If you are ready to pay more taxes but what about people who dont want kids.