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Re: Diaspora version 0.7.0.0 released

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I like these guys' perseverance. But part of me can't stop the feeling of sadness that they've spent a better part of a decade working on it, perhaps the best years of their lives. I know perseverance and failure is seen as good things in certain circles, but I don't think I've ever read a biography where the author spent ten years on something that ultimately went nowhere and then went on to do things of enough note…

We have fun. ;)

Re: Diaspora version 0.7.0.0 released

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Does event management exist yet? I.e, can my friends and I create events and invite people to them like you can on Facebook? Also, ISTR from last time I played with it, there was no ability to create photo albums/collections. Does that exist now? Without those two things I couldn't even begin to consider getting people to start using it.

Groundwork has been done, so it is definitely planned: https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora_federation/pull/44 Hopefully, this gets a bit more attention now that the big cleanup work of the codebase has been done.

Re: Diaspora version 0.7.0.0 released

#53
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This is my biggest pet peeve about Facebook. I'd pay money for better analytics about my posts.

I would love to see the same stats on my personal posts as I do on my page's post. How many people have seen it, the breakdown of their demographics, etc. The problem is, seeing those stats on a page (and a page that I pay FB to advertise for me) is really disheartening: the numbers are incredibly low even though I pay FB to show it to people. I'm sure the numbers are similarly low on my personal page as to how many…

For me it's the sense of ownership that's missing. If I hosted it myself and just looked at data in the server logs - not even fancy javascript analytics - I'd get more information. Not having access reminds me that Facebook is using me to collect data on all my friends.

Re: Diaspora version 0.7.0.0 released

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post #53

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I would love to see the same stats on my personal posts as I do on my page's post. How many people have seen it, the breakdown of their demographics, etc. The problem is, seeing those stats on a page (and a page that I pay FB to advertise for me) is really disheartening: the numbers are incredibly low even though I pay FB to show it to people. I'm sure the numbers are similarly low on my personal page as to how many…

For me it's the sense of ownership that's missing. If I hosted it myself and just looked at data in the server logs - not even fancy javascript analytics - I'd get more information. Not having access reminds me that Facebook is using me to collect data on all my friends.

I think that's going a little far... HN/Reddit doesn't give me server logs either. Very few web properties do. Very very few.

Re: Diaspora version 0.7.0.0 released

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That's not helpful. "data safety policy" is only as safe as you trust the people running it, and as long as you trust the government not to change the playing field. Historically, neither of these tend to be sustainable.

With your attitude you cannot trust anybody. Also government is nothing bad. A part of a good data safety policy is absolutely also including cooperation with law enforcement. If you think that your government is abusing its power then choosing super-crypto is not the right battle field - you have to become politically active.

The problem with Facebook is that one entity has access to all the info.

I don't trust any single entity; they are too easy to pervert. Just one more kind of bad monoculture.

Strong crypto and political activism are not contradictory; they are complementary

Re: Diaspora version 0.7.0.0 released

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post #17
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While I completely support the goal of diaspora, I don't think that I can use it. one of the main benefits of Facebook is that I can look up someone's information / posts without them being informed. Imo that is what made Facebook so big in the first place.

This is my biggest pet peeve about Facebook. I'd pay money for better analytics about my posts.

You can create a "Facebook Page" or convert your account to a Page instead.

Re: Diaspora version 0.7.0.0 released

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not helpful. "data safety policy" is only as safe as you trust the people running it, and as long as you trust the government not to change the playing field. Historically, neither of these tend to be sustainable.

With your attitude you cannot trust anybody. Also government is nothing bad. A part of a good data safety policy is absolutely also including cooperation with law enforcement. If you think that your government is abusing its power then choosing super-crypto is not the right battle field - you have to become politically active.

> you have to become politically active

Okay, fine, if you have the energy for it, but even if you dedicated yourself to it fully, the most that you can hope for is a small incremental change back from the brink, around the time you are old enough to retire. What are you going to do with your life in the meantime? If your government is abusing its power, which most generally are, then for practical purposes you have to treat that as a given and work around it.

Re: Diaspora version 0.7.0.0 released

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post #13

I like these guys' perseverance. But part of me can't stop the feeling of sadness that they've spent a better part of a decade working on it, perhaps the best years of their lives. I know perseverance and failure is seen as good things in certain circles, but I don't think I've ever read a biography where the author spent ten years on something that ultimately went nowhere and then went on to do things of enough note…

As far as I can tell from the commit log it's a quite different group of people who are maintaining this now as an open source project than the four people who launched it from the Kickstarter 7 years ago.

Yep, we (the community) are now working on it as volunteers. That means no promises and no pressure. If you look at the github contributors graph, you will see that many of us often take a break of a month without contributing and then come back, fresh and more motivated than ever :)

Any way, the goal is not to kill facebook. It is to experiment how a decentralized social network could look like, and provide a solid alternative to those who don't want to see their data analyzed. It's nothing more than that at the moment.

For the first point, our protocol is improving (see https://blog.diasporafoundation.org/43-our-federation-protoc...) and is the only one really production ready imo, and for the second point, the user experience is getting better at each release, with new features.

Re: Diaspora version 0.7.0.0 released

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I don't know if these guys have funding or not, but they deserve it. There is too much centralization nowadays. Too many eggs in the same basket.

Yes, too much centralization going on. But ... isn't Diaspora trying to solve a too big problem? Ideally, shouldn't the decentralization-space be filled by smaller services? For example, in my perfect world, instant messaging and newsfeeds would be two separate projects. That way, not only is the information decentralized, but also the development of the decentralized web becomes more decentralized (in a way).

What people like nowadays is integration. They don't want to have multiple accounts on multiple services they each have to trust. They want one sign-in and everything available. That's why google is so good to trap you.

Re: Diaspora version 0.7.0.0 released

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Your comment contradicts itself. A facebook e.V. with a strict data safety policy would be nothing more than another organisation running something similar to diaspora.

here are the options: data is controlled by: a) yourself b) your hacker-friend c) a profit-oriented company d) a non-profit-oriented organisation a and b are the restrictions diaspora faces. Facebook is c - not good for well-known reasons. d is an organisation responsibly handling your data. no contradiction. the organization though could in fact be based on Diaspora and maintain pods.

That's what https://framasoft.org is doing. They have a https://degooglisons-internet.org/ project (degooglify the internet) and are providing alternatives to every big corporate services out there. https://framasphere.org is their installation of diaspora* built against facebook. And they are non-profit. (You can switch the language to english if you do not speak french)
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