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Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by r00fus »

krautsourced wrote: post #44
gremlinsinc wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By putting people in 'groups' and having those who support him also enforce this idea that we're all in separate groups and need to look out for own little group--this is how fascism grows, this is how hitler took over Germany, this is how a new Hitler figure could take over America too... It's not outside the realm of possibility sure Germans in 1900 couldn't forsee the horrors of 1940. Here's a good video from 1947…

Wait - aren't you exactly describing identity politics?

Sure, as long as you define identity political groups to allow things like subjugating and terrorizing other groups, sure.

Treating violent white nationalists like just another "political identity" is disingenuous. Like saying ISIS members are "just Muslims".

We treat identity groups with violent tendencies as terrorists (but only prosecute if their skin is brown)

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by scierama »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #36
corporateslave3 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what ways has Trump done anything similar to Hitler?

By putting people in 'groups' and having those who support him also enforce this idea that we're all in separate groups and need to look out for own little group--this is how fascism grows, this is how hitler took over Germany, this is how a new Hitler figure could take over America too... It's not outside the realm of possibility sure Germans in 1900 couldn't forsee the horrors of 1940. Here's a good video from 1947…

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/04/thernstrom.identity.p...

Then, I guess Trump learned from the best.

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by dmode »

corporateslave3 wrote: post #18
gremlinsinc wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure that's part of it, but I'm also sure most of these people/ceo's are definitely not closet Nazi's and they definitely don't want another Hitler to rise in America as that would definitely be bad for business...

In what ways has Trump done anything similar to Hitler?

Here are some specific things that Trump has done that are very similar to Hitler:

1. Created a narrative via dog whistles that white folks are actual victims in this country in the hands of minorities, immigrants, BLM etc. A strong undercurrent of "us" vs. "them" narrative. As a result a significant portion of Republicans believe that white people are more discriminated in this country

2. Undermined free press with constant attacks and going so far and creating his own news network - a clear propaganda approach

3. Allowed the FCC to enable Sinclair broadcasting takeover of local news media, creating a powerful propaganda arm in the form of local news

4. Undermined democracy via nepotism and nominating unqualified family members to important positions

5. Brutally attack critics in an attempt to shut down criticism

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by ForRealsies »

WaxProlix wrote: post #24
matt4077 wrote: post #4

Matt Levine says it best: "[..] but I have to confess that it seems odd to me to denounce Nazism out of fealty to shareholder value. You can just denounce Nazism because you're not a Nazi! This is a financial newsletter, but I have never assumed that the operations of capital are autonomous and self-executing, or that executives are robots who are programmed to maximize shareholder value to the exclusion of all other…

> I have never assumed that the operations of capital are autonomous and self-executing, or that executives are robots who are programmed to maximize shareholder value to the exclusion of all other considerations. But that is how it works, right? If you don't maximize shareholder value you can be ousted, if you don't where others do you will lose in the marketplace and cease to exist. Isn't that competitive ruthlessn…

"Corporations are people." And it behooves them to be politically correct at all times.

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by lisper »

corporateslave3 wrote: post #18
gremlinsinc wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure that's part of it, but I'm also sure most of these people/ceo's are definitely not closet Nazi's and they definitely don't want another Hitler to rise in America as that would definitely be bad for business...

In what ways has Trump done anything similar to Hitler?

For starters, he has singled out a religious minority for persecution (Muslims instead of Jews this time), endorsed the use of violence to silence political opponents and protesters, and encouraged law enforcement to use violence against suspects.

Oh, he also failed to do anything about it when a foreign government (Turkey) used violence against protestors on American soil. Hitler never had the opportunity to do that, but he surely would have approved.

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Post by orclev »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #46
mulletbum wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Attacked the media and placed almost all the blame for American hardships on immigrants?

Hitler placed almost all of the blame for German hardships on the 1% (racial stereotype: Jews). This may also be a good time to point out that Nazi stands for National Socialist.

Nazis were not socialists, that was optics. The Nazi party actually got into power in a reaction to an attack that was blamed on communists (burning of the reichstag). Whether it was actually communists, or a false flag by the Nazis to seize power is an ongoing debate without enough evidence either way. What is a matter of record is that the very first thing the Nazis did after seizing power was to round up all the communists, and communist sympathizers (or political rivals they could accuse of being communist sympathizers) and arrest them.

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by [deleted] »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #36
corporateslave3 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what ways has Trump done anything similar to Hitler?

By putting people in 'groups' and having those who support him also enforce this idea that we're all in separate groups and need to look out for own little group--this is how fascism grows, this is how hitler took over Germany, this is how a new Hitler figure could take over America too... It's not outside the realm of possibility sure Germans in 1900 couldn't forsee the horrors of 1940. Here's a good video from 1947…

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Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by davidreiss »

matt4077 wrote: post #4

Matt Levine says it best: "[..] but I have to confess that it seems odd to me to denounce Nazism out of fealty to shareholder value. You can just denounce Nazism because you're not a Nazi! This is a financial newsletter, but I have never assumed that the operations of capital are autonomous and self-executing, or that executives are robots who are programmed to maximize shareholder value to the exclusion of all other…

Is there a reason for the love that some on HN have for Matt Levine? Seems like every finance related topic brings up matt levine.

> Matt Levine says it best:

Is that the really best?

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by Consultant32452 »

orclev wrote: post #56
Consultant32452 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hitler placed almost all of the blame for German hardships on the 1% (racial stereotype: Jews). This may also be a good time to point out that Nazi stands for National Socialist.

Nazis were not socialists, that was optics. The Nazi party actually got into power in a reaction to an attack that was blamed on communists (burning of the reichstag). Whether it was actually communists, or a false flag by the Nazis to seize power is an ongoing debate without enough evidence either way. What is a matter of record is that the very first thing the Nazis did after seizing power was to round up all the c…

Communists were globalist socialists and the Nazis were nationalist socialists. Hitler went after the communists because he felt they wanted to subjugate Germans under an international Jewish global finance regime (1%ers again).

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by davidreiss »

empath75 wrote: post #33
corporateslave3 wrote: post #12

The weird part is they arent doing it for political reasons, this is to protect the image of their corporation. But we havent been told that. There is so much obfuscation of the truth in politics, I am constantly amazed and dismayed at the same time.

I am willing to entertain the idea that the ceos of large corporations are also decent human beings.

Wasn't there a study that said CEOs tend to be overrepresented in the sociopathetic personality?

CEOs of large corporations have no problem doing business with china or israel or russia or any other questionable locations.

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