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Sundar Pichai Should Resign as Google’s C.E.O

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Re: Sundar Pichai Should Resign as Google’s C.E.O

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Post by Torai »

cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #17
Torai wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With his article on the NYT, he has become one the principal actors and is contributing to make the drama bigger.

so how's that relevant to your comment? Does this change anything about there being multiple actors in this drama?

In the article:

> There are many actors in the whole Google/diversity drama, but I’d say the one who’s behaved the worst is the C.E.O., Sundar Pichai.

He is implicitly criticizing the whole drama thing. And when saying Pichai behaved worst, I understand he is saying Pichai was who contributed most to make the drama bigger.

I think Brooks is contributing a lot to make the drama bigger. That's my point.

Re: Sundar Pichai Should Resign as Google’s C.E.O

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Post by aaron-lebo »

endorphone wrote: post #20
Shank wrote: post #8

Honestly, I think he made the right move just from a PR perspective. His firing makes sense: the CEO and HR are both acting to protect the company. The author of the manifesto caused Google a PR disaster and created a huge state of internal conflict, valid or not. The shareholders are probably really happy that their CEO removed a person who managed to get Google so much bad press in so little time. This is the reali…

The firing has been a PR disaster, and amplified and exaggerated the effect of this issue (not to mention that it drew attention to other factors, like Google's institutional ageism). And while I don't want to diagnose over the internet, it seems like it's attacking someone on the spectrum for traits of being on the spectrum. By firing him they made him a hero to enormous groups, and doubled down on this discussion.…

By and large the people outraged about this are the crazy men's rights, reactionary, Trumpist, Alex Jones mob that have been looking for things like this to be outraged for the past 30 years.

Everyone wants to be a victim. Damore isn't a victim of anything but bad judgment. If he's hero of the mob, so what.

Re: Sundar Pichai Should Resign as Google’s C.E.O

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Post by [deleted] »

EduardoBautista wrote: post #12

Convincing women to focus on a career in STEM is telling them that their choices for careers in nursing, teaching, and any other career dominated by women are wrong choices. I don't believe that, they are essential to our society and are arguably more important than helping create better ads at Google and Facebook.

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Re: Sundar Pichai Should Resign as Google’s C.E.O

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Post by otterley »

thomasahle wrote: post #32
endtime wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The leakers caused the bad press, not Damore. (Unless he was the leaker, of course...)

It was all over the media before the leak. Before it was just based on rumors of "some internal viral memo". Leaking it might even have helped calm the waters.

It's my experience that time calms waters far more effectively than adding more ships.

Re: Sundar Pichai Should Resign as Google’s C.E.O

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Post by drakenot »

alexashka wrote: post #26

If we had CEOs resigning over every hissy fit an employee throws - we'd have no CEOs left.

It isn't about the "hissy fit" an employee threw.

The resignation would be because of Sundar's intellectually dishonest characterization of the memo, and his subsequent handling of the situation.

I don't know if he should resign, but I do think he fucked up in his handling of this situation.

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Post by nzjrs »

zellyn wrote: post #29

It seems disingenuous not to mention the many debunkings of the memo's Science by Scientists. For example: https://www.quora.com/What-do-scientists-think-about-the-bio...

By my estimation there is about 7 layers of recursive debunkings so far. How many times you recurse before breaking out seems to depend most strongly on your initial starting biases.

Re: Sundar Pichai Should Resign as Google’s C.E.O

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Post by Alex3917 »

Shank wrote: post #8

Honestly, I think he made the right move just from a PR perspective. His firing makes sense: the CEO and HR are both acting to protect the company. The author of the manifesto caused Google a PR disaster and created a huge state of internal conflict, valid or not. The shareholders are probably really happy that their CEO removed a person who managed to get Google so much bad press in so little time. This is the reali…

> I think he made the right move just from a PR perspective.

By firing an employee just for reiterating the stuff that every undergrad is taught in CogDev 101 and wildly misrepresenting his position?

Re: Sundar Pichai Should Resign as Google’s C.E.O

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Post by votepaunchy »

thomasahle wrote: post #32
endtime wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The leakers caused the bad press, not Damore. (Unless he was the leaker, of course...)

It was all over the media before the leak. Before it was just based on rumors of "some internal viral memo". Leaking it might even have helped calm the waters.

Those "rumors" are still a leak.
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