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Amid layoffs, Microsofties reveal further turmoil in Redmond

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Re: Amid layoffs, Microsofties reveal further turmoil in Redmond

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It's all a symptom of too much money and too many resources, I think. Focus get's completely lost. Isn't there a way to run a big company? Is anything known on how Apple does it? How big are their development teams, even? Would it make sense to manage internal teams a bit like startups, that is they would have to succeed on their own and pitch for investments?

Apple has a product-driven leader at the very top. Microsoft has a marketing-driven leader at the very top. That's definitely part of it.

Micro-startups inside MS would be a killer idea. Small teams of 2-5 people, isolated, given time and necessary resources to create idea's. The challenge would be to keep entrepreneurial types tethered to MS, rather than watching them leave to start a company on their own (be their own boss, reap more financial rewards, etc...).

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It looks, from the outside at least, that MS has been dealing with plenty of political turmoil for quite some time now. If you exclude legacy products (Windows/Office), you see a pretty bad track record in terms of financial success over the last 10 years. Zune, Kin, Tablet PC's, Windows Mobile (profitable, but who wants one now?), Xbox (successful as a product, how about paying off its multi-billion dollar investment?), MSN, Pocket PC's, etc...

Most of the tech Apple is creating today, Microsoft had years ago. The thing is, MS didn't refine it well enough. They need to spit and polish the crap out of their products. Not release a product, saturate the market with it, declare victory, and ignore nurturing it.

What are they doing most wrong? Lately they've been in reaction mode. They don't innovate. They copy. And by the time they get their copy out it's too late. They've always copied, but their copies use to be good. Or at least tethered to a commonly-used proprietary OS or file format with high switching costs.

Lately their mantra has been along the lines of this:

1) See an idea that's successful.

2) Decide to compete with it.

3) Form a team to build it. Possibly acquire companies to do so.

4) Build it internally behind closed doors.

5) 1-3 years pass. Competitors gobble up market share. Microsoft spends lots of cash.

6) Launch it! Expect consumers to replace their other gizmo with MS's gizmo, costing them money, and time with switching costs (how do you migrate an iTunes database with 10,000 ACC's, ratings, album artwork, et all, to Windows Media Player in a few minutes?).

And people must like it, right? We spent all this money building it, our focus groups said it was awesome, and it does what our competitors product does too!

They're missing a much-needed feedback loop. Alpha users, and beta users. They don't know if their masterpiece is any good until millions have been spent and they show it off. It's hit or miss.

Re: Amid layoffs, Microsofties reveal further turmoil in Redmond

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Before succumbing to schadenfreude just remember that this will eventually happen to your favorite tech company in the future, be it HP, Dell, Apple, Google, Yahoo, Fog Creek, Amazon, Y Combinator, etc. Companies have ups and down. Hopefully MS will see this as a learning experience, become a better competitor and then we as consumers will benefit.

/ did happen in the past (Apple)

HP, too.

Re: Amid layoffs, Microsofties reveal further turmoil in Redmond

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post #17

It's all a symptom of too much money and too many resources, I think. Focus get's completely lost. Isn't there a way to run a big company? Is anything known on how Apple does it? How big are their development teams, even? Would it make sense to manage internal teams a bit like startups, that is they would have to succeed on their own and pitch for investments?

So what's different from google? Top down control vs bottom up innovation. Google engineers have 20% free time to work on interesting projects. Something like that would do wonders for MS. Google didn't invent the 20% free time, 3M has let technical types devote 15% of their to their own projects for decades.

Re: Amid layoffs, Microsofties reveal further turmoil in Redmond

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Many of these complaints are the same reasons I left Microsoft about a year ago. It's becoming less and less a place where good work is rewarded; where engineering reality trumps corporate BS; where you feel empowered to make the best products; where you look forward to spending time at work.

As more and more talented people are pushed out or leave, as the compensation continues to stagnate, as the corporate culture continues to rot all of this will snow-ball. People will find that they no longer enjoy work because all of the good people on their team have left. They'll no longer be bound by MS's golden handcuffs because their compensation won't be any better than a dozen competing companies in the same city. Etc, etc, etc. Increasingly I get the feeling that the exodus is just beginning from MS.

Re: Amid layoffs, Microsofties reveal further turmoil in Redmond

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I don't think that even if Microsoft layed off 60% of its staff it would become competitive as Apple or Google. The more I read into their problems the more I think that this is not a management issue. No they have rigid management controls to ensure that stuff doesn't go wrong like the other giants, but due to the lack of a vision.

If you ask an Apple, Google, old HP, or any employee of an innovative company they will be able to tell you what their company is about. They will be able to define what they are contributing towards at in work. They know what their company's mission is and what that company stands for in respect to their product line and their positioning in the market. This has stopped happening in Microsoft.

An interesting question is whether all failing companies have similar blind spots of vision.

As someone once put it; management is knowing how to cut down trees efficiently, vision is about knowing if you're in the right jungle in the first place.

Re: Amid layoffs, Microsofties reveal further turmoil in Redmond

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The problem with Microsoft isn't a lack of bright talent. It's "Who's Next?" People are jockeying for political positions, not concentrating on products. Ballmer won't be there forever and everyone wants to be the next Ballmer. If Steve Jobs passed away tomorrow, there could be similar jockeying at Apple -- we've already seen how product introductions lacking Jobs have been split up among several people. We don't kno…

Eh, Ives is almost certainly heir to the throne.

Re: Amid layoffs, Microsofties reveal further turmoil in Redmond

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which means it will bleed more and longer than any previous tech giant. I'll grab my popcorn and enjoy it thoroughly.

IBM has been bleeding for a long time and they still haven't died yet.

I've always been amazed looking back at how IBM embraced open source back in the early 90s with a vengeance. I wonder if this saved the company.

Re: Amid layoffs, Microsofties reveal further turmoil in Redmond

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple's products weren't highly regarded through most of the 90s. The survived on a niche market at the time, but weren't highly regarded during this phase either for their design or technical architecture. Pricing wasn't their problem -- their products were the problem. It wasn't until 2000 or so when they got their mojo back.

They were highly regarded in their niches. If you needed a computer to edit photos or to assemble a print publication, a Mac would be your obvious choice. In the PowePC era, it was the fastest computer you could buy that ran off-th-shelf productivity software and many found their way into labs as instrument controllers. Considering the size of their lineup, a couple lemons (pun intended) were to be expected. Still, c…

That's not the history as I remember it. Windows 95 came before NT4, and it was the first to introduce the famous "start button" visuals. 95 however was still based on the old kernel and it crashed a lot. NT4 came later, with the same visuals, but due to the NT kernel it was remarkably stable.

Re: Amid layoffs, Microsofties reveal further turmoil in Redmond

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post #56

The problem with Microsoft isn't a lack of bright talent. It's "Who's Next?" People are jockeying for political positions, not concentrating on products. Ballmer won't be there forever and everyone wants to be the next Ballmer. If Steve Jobs passed away tomorrow, there could be similar jockeying at Apple -- we've already seen how product introductions lacking Jobs have been split up among several people. We don't kno…

Eh, Ives is almost certainly heir to the throne.

As a shareholder, I certainly hope so.
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