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Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by zimpenfish »

7952 wrote: post #47
konart wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So... do you mind answering the second part then? Will they change ycombinator.com to something else if somebody is offended? Or will you change your "smhost" if I'm gonna tell you it offends me?

In Oxford a lot of things are named after "Isis". Isis is the local name for the River Thames, presumably named after the Egyptian Godess. We should not change that name, just because it is used by a terorist group. But it would be a bit distasteful to use it as a new name. Especially if you use it intentionally with the intent of causing offence. Nuance matters.

The new (~2014?) English Language school in Greenwich was called ISIS. Up until ~2016, anyway. Huge big flashy signs it had, too.

(I like to imagine all the children telling their parents they were going to London to "study with ISIS" causing huge parental conniptions until the penny dropped.)

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by buttcake »

jchw wrote: post #44

Personally I could care less. It's a gag that I'm sure some people do find amusing. But their response is what gets me. Boo hoo, free speech is dead because you don't want ostencibly-pedophilic jokes associated with your software. I say if you're committed to an off-color joke or gag, this is a terrible attempt to save face. Just apologize with authenticity and go more subtle. Don't turn it into another *gate or what…

That's just a type of response the author could come up with based on leftist social currencies. He needs to respond in a matter which reflects values of the people who are currently opposing him.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by zimpenfish »

majewsky wrote: post #50
zimpenfish wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

e.g. Rammstein have been refused on safety grounds before now. 2001: "Rammstein were unable to play their show yesterday at the Astoria in London due to significant restrictions to their stageshow and pyrotechnics. The band feel it would be unfair to their fans, to see a show that would have become highly compromised. If these issues can be resolved the band promises to return to the UK later in the year for live sho…

That's entirely irrelevant to this discussion.

It was relevant to its parent comment about venues being perfectly able to refuse Rammstein for whatever legal reasons they wanted.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by jhanschoo »

jchw wrote: post #44

Personally I could care less. It's a gag that I'm sure some people do find amusing. But their response is what gets me. Boo hoo, free speech is dead because you don't want ostencibly-pedophilic jokes associated with your software. I say if you're committed to an off-color joke or gag, this is a terrible attempt to save face. Just apologize with authenticity and go more subtle. Don't turn it into another *gate or what…

Well, I guess such a response is somewhat expected from someone who chooses to name a mirror that in the first place.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by westmeal »

kw71 wrote: post #6
ddavis wrote: post #4

What is offensive about the domain name? Just curious.

"loli" is a 4chanism for a sexual target who is underage

Not quite. It's actually used to refer to anime characters that have the physical characteristics of young girls. You know, weeaboo territory stuff. The theme has become increasingly prevalent in anime as of late.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by msimpson »

jchw wrote: post #44

Personally I could care less. It's a gag that I'm sure some people do find amusing. But their response is what gets me. Boo hoo, free speech is dead because you don't want ostencibly-pedophilic jokes associated with your software. I say if you're committed to an off-color joke or gag, this is a terrible attempt to save face. Just apologize with authenticity and go more subtle. Don't turn it into another *gate or what…

> I say if you're committed to an off-color joke or gag, this is a terrible attempt to save face. Just apologize with authenticity and go more subtle. Don't turn it into another *gate or whatever the hell.

Exactly, and this is so obviously a troll.

Look at the original feature request to even add the mirror:

https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/51870

You can see Pritz's hesitation at using "cuntflaps.me" as a mirror and his request to use a different name.

To which Alucard suggests "loli.forsale", instead.

So excuse the Arch maintainers for not allowing you to politicize their distribution, thereby polarizing their user base...

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by JadeNB »

wvh wrote: post #57

I can't make up my mind how much this is freedom of speech (and offend, which is never a reason for censorship in my book) and how much this is just being annoying.

> how much this is freedom of speech

I argued in another thread (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14846562), but hope you won't mind my repeating here, the (tried but true) trope that free speech guarantees only the right to say what you want, not to have anyone listen. Not disseminating someone else's speech is not the same thing as suppressing it.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by JadeNB »

konart wrote: post #31
smhost wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So it is okay to remove stuff just because somebody was offended? Yep.

So... do you mind answering the second part then? Will they change ycombinator.com to something else if somebody is offended? Or will you change your "smhost" if I'm gonna tell you it offends me?

> So... do you mind answering the second part then? Will they change ycombinator.com to something else if somebody is offended? Or will you change your "smhost" if I'm gonna tell you it offends me?

At least in my original post, a key part of my argument is that no-one is requiring alucard to change the name of the mirror. The only question is whether the mirror will be listed. Thus, I think it is analogous to asking whether I would remove a link to ycombinator.com from a page I controlled if I were offended by the URL, or if I might try to hide posts from smhost if I were offended by his or her handle; and either of those seems like a reasonable response (even if taking offense itself would clearly be unreasonable).

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by JadeNB »

7952 wrote: post #47
konart wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So... do you mind answering the second part then? Will they change ycombinator.com to something else if somebody is offended? Or will you change your "smhost" if I'm gonna tell you it offends me?

In Oxford a lot of things are named after "Isis". Isis is the local name for the River Thames, presumably named after the Egyptian Godess. We should not change that name, just because it is used by a terorist group. But it would be a bit distasteful to use it as a new name. Especially if you use it intentionally with the intent of causing offence. Nuance matters.

Poor Softcard, née Isis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softcard).

> But it would be a bit distasteful to use it as a new name. Especially if you use it intentionally with the intent of causing offence.

I think that your second sentence is an important qualification. I almost wished that they'd stuck with the name, just to emphasise that a bunch of terrorist asshats don't get to dictate what words others can use; I think that such a useage would have been (very mildly) heroic rather than offensive.

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