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Re: OpenBSD on the Huawei MateBook X

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Post by vacri »

cyphar wrote: post #42
tmnvix wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I imagine compromised security due to government meddling. Huawei's ownership structure is complicated and government influence is a concern. See Australia's decision to ban Huawei from it's National Broadband Network tender: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-29/government-maintains-n... I have yet to hear of any proof that Huawei has actually compromised any of it's products or work.

As an Australian, I'm not sure that I would recommend listening to any advice from us in relation to the NBN. Also from my experience working with them in upstream projects like runc, Huawei has a lot of very interesting technology in their offerings. Also note that basically every modern piece of technology is assembled and has its firmware flashed in China (or other various Asiatic nations with questionable governm…

I'll second this. The NBN is more politics than technology these days - and the politics have meant they've chosen yesterday's technology. I wouldn't use them to back an argument for technical sanity.

Re: OpenBSD on the Huawei MateBook X

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Post by throwaway91111 »

sverige wrote: post #23
oneplane wrote: post #18

While it obviously does run, it's still so broken it's hardly usable. You basically have a 'mobile PC' rather than a laptop/notebook. There is no suspend/resume, hibernation is slow, video not really supported and the touchpad doesn't fully work. Basically, it's fine for when you want a 'mobile server', but for desktop or human interaction via the local console this is just as bad as a cheap windows laptop: things ar…

Things like suspend/resume, hibernate, video drivers, and touchpads generally get fixed when developers have a need for them. You can hack it together yourself, or you can buy a developer the same model laptop that you wish had everything working and hope they like it enough to fix stuff. Or you can shut up. And fwiw, cheap windows laptops "just work" far more often and far better than almost any linux distro I've tr…

So, do you have a laptop to recommend where suspend/resume work well? Or should i just avoid openbsd if i want to use a laptop?

Re: OpenBSD on the Huawei MateBook X

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Post by cyphar »

cbhl wrote: post #43
voltagex_ wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like $1500+ here. Bit steep, but I may try to find the cash so I can send one to any developer who can make HiDPI not suck on Linux.

I think one of the biggest challenges for FOSS (that proprietary software gets right) is making an app work and look right when half of it is on a HiDPI screen and half of it is on a lower resolution screen. Sad to say, once I could afford $2500+ HiDPI laptops, I became a lot less picky about running proprietary OSes...

From what I've heard (I don't use proprietary OSes), Windows had a lot of issues with HiDPI in exactly the situation you're describing. They also had scaling issues with having different resolution monitors.

Re: OpenBSD on the Huawei MateBook X

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Post by dingo_bat »

IgorPartola wrote: post #10

A few years ago I bought a top spec MacBook Pro 15" as my main workhorse. I did it somewhat for the OS because there was a small handful of applications I needed that only ran on OS X or Windows and between the two the choice was clear. But the main reason for it was that the build quality of the laptop case, the screen, and the keyboard were superior to anything money could buy. I am still very happy with it, but I…

Did you not know about the Thinkpad? I think the T430 is built stronger than any Macbook.

Re: OpenBSD on the Huawei MateBook X

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Post by ppereira »

throwaway91111 wrote: post #52
sverige wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things like suspend/resume, hibernate, video drivers, and touchpads generally get fixed when developers have a need for them. You can hack it together yourself, or you can buy a developer the same model laptop that you wish had everything working and hope they like it enough to fix stuff. Or you can shut up. And fwiw, cheap windows laptops "just work" far more often and far better than almost any linux distro I've tr…

So, do you have a laptop to recommend where suspend/resume work well? Or should i just avoid openbsd if i want to use a laptop?

OpenBSD is very good at suspend/resume, particularly for non-bleeding edge laptops that developers have had a chance to use. I've had better luck with suspend/resume on OpenBSD than on Linux. I recommend Thinkpad X/T series laptops and have also had success with older Asus Eee PCs.

Re: OpenBSD on the Huawei MateBook X

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Post by lafytahoe »

nickpsecurity wrote: post #31
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #7

What would be the draw of OpenBSD on a consumer laptop over, say, FreeBSD, or even Linux?

Secure-by-default, reliability, consistency, and good docs. There's lots of people who would appreciate that even if they weren't technical experts. From there, you have the split of who would be interested in it as-is versus who would use it if someone set up the UI, apps, and so on for them. Mac OS X is probably the ultimate example of layering a great UI for lay people with "just works" mentality over UNIX. I bet…

And the lack of Bluetooth makes it soo much safer.

Re: OpenBSD on the Huawei MateBook X

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Post by AdmiralAsshat »

djsumdog wrote: post #14
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #7

What would be the draw of OpenBSD on a consumer laptop over, say, FreeBSD, or even Linux?

Why try Linux? Why try FreeBSD? We try different operating systems to drive development and to try new and different things. Why climb a mountain? Why cycle a 90km trail? Why travel the world? Because it's there and we can.

Curiously, if you read my original comment, I never used the word "Why". The question you're answering seems to be "Why would you put OpenBSD on a laptop?" But the question I specifically asked what advantage is has over other comparable distros.

Re: OpenBSD on the Huawei MateBook X

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Post by IgorPartola »

toomanybeersies wrote: post #49
dchest wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to add an anecdote, I had a design/construction defect on every MacBook I owned after iBook, although almost all of them were covered by replacement programs: 2007 (?) 17" MBP - bad display (no recall), bad battery (recall) 1-gen MacBook Air - broken hinges (Apple used unsuitable metal in first shipments, replacement program), CPU throttling leading to long pauses (Intel issue? disabling one core 'fixed' it if I…

I'm not a fan at all of the Macbook charger cords. They all invariably split, it's taken only 8 months for mine to split, so now it's wrapped in electrical tape, which gets all ugly. That's not to mention that the cable always get filthy, they're made out of the perfect material to get all grey and yuck. I'm on the fence about magsafe, although that's moot now that new Macbooks use USB-C.

I called mine Sparky!

Re: OpenBSD on the Huawei MateBook X

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Post by IgorPartola »

willtim wrote: post #24
IgorPartola wrote: post #10

A few years ago I bought a top spec MacBook Pro 15" as my main workhorse. I did it somewhat for the OS because there was a small handful of applications I needed that only ran on OS X or Windows and between the two the choice was clear. But the main reason for it was that the build quality of the laptop case, the screen, and the keyboard were superior to anything money could buy. I am still very happy with it, but I…

What exactly do you mean by "build quality"? An aluminium case? Sure it gives a premium feel, but it's also heavy, dents and attenuates radio, so not really an obvious choice before Apple popularised it. Recently Apple have also standardised on glued-in batteries, which is not really representative of a premium "build quality" IMHO. Their trackpads have been very good, but I've always preferred the ThinkPad nipple. >…

For screens at the time, there were no non-1080p displays on the market. Yes two years after the MPBr came out, you could get much nicer displays, but not at the time. Also, most laptops (though not all) did feature the 16:9 aspect ratio, and screw that.

I had a Thinkpad before and yes they were nice in that they felt very solid, but the nipple mouse thing is controversial at best. The touchpad was tiny (again, at the time), and the keyboard wasn't my cup of tea. I would certainly recommend Thinkpads, especially if you have a lower budget and want something that quickly dropped in price but still has a ton of life in it. But I could afford a nicer laptop, and at the higher end there was no comparison.

As for aluminum, yes I do like it. I have no dings on this machine and I do lug it around. The hinge still works great, which was my biggest issue, even with Thinkpads. They all get wobbly eventually.

> You are showing your bias here.

You are probably right, but I feel OK with my bias in some ways. I spent about 10 years avoiding Apple products all around because (a) I like FOSS and (b) I wanted to save money. I came around when my work issued me a MBP and I realized that I don't have to think about my laptop anymore. It just works and I don't need to worry about drivers, upgrades, whatever. Yes I know not everyone's story is as peachy, but my experience has been good.

Re: OpenBSD on the Huawei MateBook X

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Post by sctb »

chriscappuccio wrote: post #26
oneplane wrote: post #18

While it obviously does run, it's still so broken it's hardly usable. You basically have a 'mobile PC' rather than a laptop/notebook. There is no suspend/resume, hibernation is slow, video not really supported and the touchpad doesn't fully work. Basically, it's fine for when you want a 'mobile server', but for desktop or human interaction via the local console this is just as bad as a cheap windows laptop: things ar…

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