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Bitcoin's Price Surge Is Making Hobby Mining Profitable Again

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Re: Bitcoin's Price Surge Is Making Hobby Mining Profitable Again

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>Solis bought a Bitmain Antminer S9 on eBay for $2,400. >As of this weekend, Solis has mined 1.01 BTC, worth a little more than $2,584 in his bitcoin wallet. >Solis said: >"When I bought the miner, the price per bitcoin was around $1,200. I thought I’d break even in one year, but actually it’s been about five months." So he would have been much better off just spending that 1,200 on Bitcoin rather than on a mining ri…

This is hindsight. He would have been best off staying the fuck away . As I mentioned a billion times cryptocurrencies (which are not currencies either) have zero legal real world use cases, currently the two uses are illegal money transfers out of China and hype. It's the worst sort of gambling: you do not even know the odds.

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Re: Bitcoin's Price Surge Is Making Hobby Mining Profitable Again

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For those thinking, "now's a great time to join the party!", the price surge happened from about March to about May of this year, with BTC more than doubling in USD price. However, it's been completely flat for over a month now -- longer than any other point in recent history -- and there are currently some big questions about the future of BTC that are being addressed next month and may result in a loss of value for…

> Smart money right now isn't in BTC, Where is it then ? I too would like to join the 'rich fast' bandwagon !

Shorting SBUX since June 4th? Where have you been?

Re: Bitcoin's Price Surge Is Making Hobby Mining Profitable Again

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Wouldn't there be a big advantage to running a bit coin miner somewhere cold with cheap electricity like Quebec?

I have heard from a trusted source that people in Russia are buying graphics cards by the truckload and building mining farms, and getting free electricity by bribing utilities / government officials. So keep in mind that you are likely competing with Chinese and Russian miners who don't have the same costs.

> free through bribery.

That's not free...

Re: Bitcoin's Price Surge Is Making Hobby Mining Profitable Again

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would it be better to just buy hold and use Bitcoin? mining adds slightly to the decentralized nature but I am curious about comparing buy and hold vs mine.

Because it's super easy to buy and hold Bitcoin, if it becomes more popular the value of mining rigs will increase. Right now, there's probably no material difference between buying the coin itself or buying the rig and mining, but eventually, it may become more pronounced. There are other benefits as well. Buying the mining rig is a sort of hedge in that if bitcoin drops to $0, you at least have some hardware that c…

But the more popular the coin becomes the harder it becomes to mine it. If the increase in mining difficulty (driven by total network hashrate) increases faster than the price of bitcoin then your mining apparatus becomes less and less profitable.

As for repurposing hardware, that might work with GPUs (although their value depreciates pretty quickly) but the Antminer is a custom ASIC, so it can't do a lot more than bruteforce SHA-256.

Re: Bitcoin's Price Surge Is Making Hobby Mining Profitable Again

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Is anyone tracking the electric costs for mining? I would love to see the stats on that. What about using something like solar to power this? Then you would have your upfront costs for the solar panels, but not have recurring electric costs?

I used to track where large bitcoin mines were. Mostly they're concentrated around cheap hydroelectricity, with major mines in Labrador (2c/kwh), Central China (varies, but Solar panels are not effective for bitcoin mining, because hardware needs to run 24/7 (a shitload of batteries are needed) and the upfront cost is high.

> hardware needs to run 24/7

Why?

Re: Bitcoin's Price Surge Is Making Hobby Mining Profitable Again

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have heard from a trusted source that people in Russia are buying graphics cards by the truckload and building mining farms, and getting free electricity by bribing utilities / government officials. So keep in mind that you are likely competing with Chinese and Russian miners who don't have the same costs.

> free through bribery. That's not free...

Flat fee for infinite power.

X/Infinity = ~0

Re: Bitcoin's Price Surge Is Making Hobby Mining Profitable Again

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>Solis bought a Bitmain Antminer S9 on eBay for $2,400. >As of this weekend, Solis has mined 1.01 BTC, worth a little more than $2,584 in his bitcoin wallet. >Solis said: >"When I bought the miner, the price per bitcoin was around $1,200. I thought I’d break even in one year, but actually it’s been about five months." So he would have been much better off just spending that 1,200 on Bitcoin rather than on a mining ri…

This is hindsight. He would have been best off staying the fuck away . As I mentioned a billion times cryptocurrencies (which are not currencies either) have zero legal real world use cases, currently the two uses are illegal money transfers out of China and hype. It's the worst sort of gambling: you do not even know the odds.

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Re: Bitcoin's Price Surge Is Making Hobby Mining Profitable Again

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I am not a financial expert. Some people have maxed their plastic out on bitcoin. I think that someone somewhere sometime will be left with the bill if there is no actual resource behind the currency - it is just an IOU after all. The UK PM talks about terrorists having no place to hide their money today, it dives $200. Too much feels like an elaborate scam - a silkroad clone goes completely dark or exchanges 'getting hacked'. I know I know: if I'd kept my .bitcoin I'd be even richer now...

Re: Bitcoin's Price Surge Is Making Hobby Mining Profitable Again

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I used to track where large bitcoin mines were. Mostly they're concentrated around cheap hydroelectricity, with major mines in Labrador (2c/kwh), Central China (varies, but Solar panels are not effective for bitcoin mining, because hardware needs to run 24/7 (a shitload of batteries are needed) and the upfront cost is high.

> hardware needs to run 24/7 Why?

I think they mean in order to actually make a profit it needs to be running nearly endlessly.
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