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U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Post by ksangeelee »

dotancohen wrote: post #21
someSven wrote: post #19

This will kill the rainforrest in Africa. Because the survivors will use it for bushmeat, wood, jobs, fields for cows, ...

A friend of mine once retitled a similar headline "U.S. Malaria Donations create an additional 2M starving Africans". I'll not add _my_ opinion of the matter, but I would love to see intelligent discussion on the matter. Is saving lives from disease just putting these same people on the path to starvation?

No, saving lives from disease is removing obstacles to their survival.

Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Post by madiathomas »

buckbova wrote: post #47
madiathomas wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if it is ignorance that is making you to utter such words about Africa. Do you seriously think all African people are dying of hunger and waiting for food aid from your governments? Have you ever been to any African country? Majority of countries with food and hunger problems are those who are at war. Rest of us, citizens pf this wonderful and arable continent, can feed ourselves and don't need any food aid.…

Then why must Africa receive millions in aid from the West every single year? Why can't they help themselves? http://www.chronicle.co.zw/one-million-receive-food-aid In 2015, the U.S. provided more than $8 billion in assistance to 47 sub-Saharan countries; and USAID maintains 27 regional and bilateral missions in Africa. http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/foreign-policy/323198-...

Because West is stealing gazillion times more from Africa in return. When you refuse, war and/or sanctions follow to cripple your country. Then they can loot in peace. You seriously think USA is just helping out of their good hearts?

Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Post by summer_steven »

madiathomas wrote: post #43
mrkrab wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, Africa can't grow its own food. If they could, they would've, a long time ago.

We are growing our own food and exporting excess food to other countries. What do you think we are doing with our land? Just play on it? Only countries who are unable to grow their own food are those who are at war. War which is started by the very same West who pretend to be feeding us.

Your claim is that most starvation in Africa is caused by war, and most war is instigated by countries outside Africa (China and the U.S.?).

Why, then, don't we see so much war in South America, where China and the U.S. are also heavily involved?

Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Post by madiathomas »

lukas099 wrote: post #46
madiathomas wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I had enough clout to downvote, I was going to do so. I was going to do so because the comment is totally ignorant. I don't know who is feeding people around the world this misinformation that African people are all dying of hunger and waiting for food aid.

I don't know who is either, but how is ignorance going to be fixed if we punish people who ask questions?

The bigger problem isn't ignorance here. Lack of emphathy is the main problem. Parent comment, which people are down-voting, is basically suggesting that those African children which were saved are better off dead.

Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Post by [deleted] »

lucb1e wrote: post #10

Now the devil's question: how are we going to feed all the people that survive because of this? Really, don't get me wrong, it's fantastic that lives are being saved. The amount of grief being spared by this, by not losing a child for so many families, is unimaginable. I am just wondering if we are not creating an even bigger problem by solving this problem before the other.

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Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Post by madiathomas »

summer_steven wrote: post #53
madiathomas wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are growing our own food and exporting excess food to other countries. What do you think we are doing with our land? Just play on it? Only countries who are unable to grow their own food are those who are at war. War which is started by the very same West who pretend to be feeding us.

Your claim is that most starvation in Africa is caused by war, and most war is instigated by countries outside Africa (China and the U.S.?). Why, then, don't we see so much war in South America, where China and the U.S. are also heavily involved?

I love how you cherry-picked South America and ignore recent examples where US is directly involved in impoverishing people by destroying their country in the name of democracy. Democracy meaning installing their own puppets who will allow them to loot. Countries like Libya, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Kuwait etc. All South American countries have been at war. All of them. Google them one by one. Leave China out of this equation because they have never started or sponsored war outside Asia. When a country isn't at war, know that it is ruled by puppets of the West.

Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Post by no2empire »

buckbova wrote: post #47
madiathomas wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if it is ignorance that is making you to utter such words about Africa. Do you seriously think all African people are dying of hunger and waiting for food aid from your governments? Have you ever been to any African country? Majority of countries with food and hunger problems are those who are at war. Rest of us, citizens pf this wonderful and arable continent, can feed ourselves and don't need any food aid.…

Then why must Africa receive millions in aid from the West every single year? Why can't they help themselves? http://www.chronicle.co.zw/one-million-receive-food-aid In 2015, the U.S. provided more than $8 billion in assistance to 47 sub-Saharan countries; and USAID maintains 27 regional and bilateral missions in Africa. http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/foreign-policy/323198-...

USAID "assistance" to Africa and other countries is more of a gimme to the US big agriculture lobby than to Africa. The US pays big agriculture to send food and agriculture equipment to Africa and other countries. The temporary food abundance often destroys the country's ability to build up its agriculture. Also, it comes with strings attached where the country has to use patented seeds in order to get the aid, making the local farmers dependent on sending money to Monsanto every year - this happened in Haiti and Monsanto is doing it in Africa as well.

Also, USAID is infamous for spreading money around in order to destabilize governments who do not follow the US's dictates.

This notion that USAID is some benevolent aid program is ridiculous. It is a brutal instrument of US foreign policy and big business, cloaked in a very thin veil of liberalism/charity/humanitarianism.

Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Post by mrkrab »

madiathomas wrote: post #56
summer_steven wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your claim is that most starvation in Africa is caused by war, and most war is instigated by countries outside Africa (China and the U.S.?). Why, then, don't we see so much war in South America, where China and the U.S. are also heavily involved?

I love how you cherry-picked South America and ignore recent examples where US is directly involved in impoverishing people by destroying their country in the name of democracy. Democracy meaning installing their own puppets who will allow them to loot. Countries like Libya, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Kuwait etc. All South American countries have been at war. All of them. Google them one by one. Leave China out of this equa…

And you're cherry picking Muslim countries, when when we talk about starvation in Africa we mean the huge barren between the Muslim countries and South Africa.

We are talking malaria here, what do the Muslim countries have to do with that?

http://www.thelancet.com/cms/attachment/2001010053/200378675...

Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Post by pizza »

buckbova wrote: post #47
madiathomas wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if it is ignorance that is making you to utter such words about Africa. Do you seriously think all African people are dying of hunger and waiting for food aid from your governments? Have you ever been to any African country? Majority of countries with food and hunger problems are those who are at war. Rest of us, citizens pf this wonderful and arable continent, can feed ourselves and don't need any food aid.…

Then why must Africa receive millions in aid from the West every single year? Why can't they help themselves? http://www.chronicle.co.zw/one-million-receive-food-aid In 2015, the U.S. provided more than $8 billion in assistance to 47 sub-Saharan countries; and USAID maintains 27 regional and bilateral missions in Africa. http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/foreign-policy/323198-...

Wait til you hear how much Israel gets alone. Aid isn't a no-strings attached handout, it's policy in dollar units.
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