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Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda

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Combining vehicle data with a phone's GPS could improve navigation accuracy in urban canyons [1]. Back in 2007 we read CAN data from a Toyota RAV4 to get wheel encoder, steering angle, acceleration, speed, and braking data [2]. I am surprised Uber/Lyft aren't using something like this. I often see the car location jumping around in SF FiDi. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_canyon [2] http://www.acfr.usyd.edu.…

Improved localization / nav is one of the goals of chffr. Through panda, we can use the car sensors for dead reckoning.

Combined with the phone camera, we can get and keep a really precise location fix.

Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda

#52
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Hotz is quoted as saying in the article, "there are only three real competitors: Waymo, Tesla and us." That's total bullshit. There are so many companies seriously working on autonomous vehicles, such as GM Cruise, Auroa Innovation, Drive.ai, Zoox, Nuro.ai, nuTonomy, Varden Labs, AImotive, Ford, and Nvidia Edit, because George is on here: George, I want to like you, because I think your tech is really good (the stree…

There is a TWIST episode with this guy on it, and he comes of as a massively arrogant prick. The dude who created the first iPhone jailbreak in his teens and got famous at it.

He did a lot more than just jailbreak an old iPhone. The dude's good, who cares if he's arrogant? There's hundreds of big corporations manipulating media for financial gains.

Are you gonna hate this guy just because he has a face and a personal reputation?

Or are you going to watch with bemused interest as he successfully scales the obstacles and actually puts some nice products out there.

Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda

#53
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He can be arrogant in some interviews (I don't personally know him), but I doubt that we can discuss he isn't smart as fuck.

He seems to be quite above average, the issue is the ratio hubris / math skillz still seems improperly balanced. If my sunday psychology profile is correct, he seems to be passionated and fast to hack around and displeased by big corporations business model + slowness + suboptimality. Thus trying to dig diagonally on his own without the enterprise cruft. So far so good, the issue is that it seems he's lying about his…

Disagree.

I've a friend that has a comma neo with openpilot and it works enough well. Is not perfect, but they are on something.

The best projects that we know today were made by hackers with 0 enterprise skills.

Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda

#54

Hotz is quoted as saying in the article, "there are only three real competitors: Waymo, Tesla and us." That's total bullshit. There are so many companies seriously working on autonomous vehicles, such as GM Cruise, Auroa Innovation, Drive.ai, Zoox, Nuro.ai, nuTonomy, Varden Labs, AImotive, Ford, and Nvidia Edit, because George is on here: George, I want to like you, because I think your tech is really good (the stree…

> That's total bullshit.

Udacity has their own self-driving vehicle. They built it for their Self-Driving Vehicle Car Engineer Nanodegree program; I just started term 3 yesterday, and apparently they're going ahead with the plan for student to run code on it.

https://medium.com/udacity/term-3-in-depth-on-udacitys-self-...

Apparently, they have a test track, and will have a safety driver on-board. For that part of the term (dubbed "Integration"), we'll be broken into teams of 10-20 students, and (somehow) have to coordinate on building the software pieces to run on the vehicle. This will all be done using a custom simulator designed to replicate the test track (similar to what has already been used). Once something is working, the group will then merge the pieces (nodes and modules for ROS and something called AutoWare) all together in a shared github repo. That'll be shipped over to Udacity for testing on "track days", and results sent back to the team for analysis.

I'm not sure how well this whole thing is going to work; it's very much an experiment that I believe is unique for a MOOC and hasn't been tried before (develop software as a group project of international students, to drive a real self-driving vehicle on a test track in Mountain View, CA - yep, that seems reasonable).

I guess we'll see when we get there. The vehicle is named "Carla", and (overall) it is open-sourced. Here are some links to learn more about it:

https://www.udacity.com/self-driving-car

https://github.com/udacity/self-driving-car

http://www.ros.org/

http://www.tier4.jp/

https://github.com/CPFL/Autoware

The vehicle itself is apparently some standard vehicle converted by a third-party company (for the life of me, I can't recall the make or model of the vehicle, nor the company that did the conversion!); if you wanted to DIY this yourself at full scale, you'd basically want a vehicle that uses a mostly drive-by-wire control system for the brakes, accelerator, and steering. If that isn't available, then something that uses electro-hydraulic power braking and steering (or electric power-steering) would be the next best thing.

I'd shy away from trying to do this with a standard vehicle; building the actuators you would need to control everything is not a trivial thing to do (and especially to do so safely and reliably).

Honestly, if you really wanted to do this, and you didn't want to kill yourself, others, or damage property (as much?) - start out smaller with an RC car or similar. There are plenty of examples on how to do this on the internet, but my favorite go-to example is this one:

http://blog.davidsingleton.org/nnrccar/

That one occupies a "soft spot" in me because David Singleton was one of the original students in the Stanford-sponsored ML Class of 2011, taught by Andrew Ng. I was a part of that class; it taught us enough to build such a vehicle, and David was inspired to do so and follow thru with it. What used to cost hundreds-of-thousands of dollars (if not millions) back in the 1980s:

https://ftp.utcluj.ro/pub///docs/imaging/Autonomous_driving/...

...could in 2011 be done for much, much less.

Final note: I don't have any association with any of this other than being a student in the Udacity course and interested in learning about this technology.

Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda

#55

Hotz is quoted as saying in the article, "there are only three real competitors: Waymo, Tesla and us." That's total bullshit. There are so many companies seriously working on autonomous vehicles, such as GM Cruise, Auroa Innovation, Drive.ai, Zoox, Nuro.ai, nuTonomy, Varden Labs, AImotive, Ford, and Nvidia Edit, because George is on here: George, I want to like you, because I think your tech is really good (the stree…

This is the guy who was supposedly just a few weeks away from shipping a bolt-on smart cruise control module, then immediately canceled the entire thing when the NHTSA asked him some questions about its safety. He seems pretty sharp when it comes to technology, but I'm not sure if he's prepared to make actual products sold to regular people.

Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda

#56
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He seems to be quite above average, the issue is the ratio hubris / math skillz still seems improperly balanced. If my sunday psychology profile is correct, he seems to be passionated and fast to hack around and displeased by big corporations business model + slowness + suboptimality. Thus trying to dig diagonally on his own without the enterprise cruft. So far so good, the issue is that it seems he's lying about his…

Disagree. I've a friend that has a comma neo with openpilot and it works enough well. Is not perfect, but they are on something. The best projects that we know today were made by hackers with 0 enterprise skills.

This is not a nodejs template system.

Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda

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post #51
post #48

Combining vehicle data with a phone's GPS could improve navigation accuracy in urban canyons [1]. Back in 2007 we read CAN data from a Toyota RAV4 to get wheel encoder, steering angle, acceleration, speed, and braking data [2]. I am surprised Uber/Lyft aren't using something like this. I often see the car location jumping around in SF FiDi. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_canyon [2] http://www.acfr.usyd.edu.…

Improved localization / nav is one of the goals of chffr. Through panda, we can use the car sensors for dead reckoning. Combined with the phone camera, we can get and keep a really precise location fix.

Have you thought about releasing this as its own product which I could use in an existing navigation app?

Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda

#58

Given the absurd insecurity of the OBD II CAN interface on all modern vehicles, it seems insane to install anything there with a wireless interface on it.

aren't they read only sensors anyway ? no outside agent can fiddle with your car through OBD2 .. I hope so

This device works on the CAN bus, where you can actually issue commands, not just listen. So this is a bad idea in that sense.

Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda

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post #52
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a TWIST episode with this guy on it, and he comes of as a massively arrogant prick. The dude who created the first iPhone jailbreak in his teens and got famous at it.

He did a lot more than just jailbreak an old iPhone. The dude's good, who cares if he's arrogant? There's hundreds of big corporations manipulating media for financial gains. Are you gonna hate this guy just because he has a face and a personal reputation? Or are you going to watch with bemused interest as he successfully scales the obstacles and actually puts some nice products out there.

My (not GP) issue with him comes from all his whining over the NHTSA stuff. You can't talk about how easy the problem is and how much better you are, and then fold when safety regulators show up. That to me says that he may be incredible at building things, but doesn't know how to take it the last mile. Sure, you can argue against the regulation, but I for one think that self driving cars should have strict safety regulation. And from what I read they weren't asking anything crazy of him that they wouldn't of anyone else.
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