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How much do hackers at the CIA/NSA/FBI make?

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Re: How much do hackers at the CIA/NSA/FBI make?

#51

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A lot of those positions aren't in high cost areas, especially if you don't have kids. The area near Fort Meade, MD isn't too bad. San Antonio, TX is reasonable. Aurora, CO (just outside of Denver) isn't bad either, neither is Augusta, Georgia. A starting salary of $70-$80k for a recent college grad goes a long ways in those areas.

Fort Meade, Maryland? Are you kidding me, I'm in the DC area you're looking at close to a 1/2 million dollars for a reasonable house in a decent neighborhood in that area, not to mention Maryland's taxes are some of the highest in the country. On top of all of that, you have neighboring PG County, Maryland where corruption and crime are out of control, as well as terrible traffic around the entire DC metro area. Of a…

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Re: How much do hackers at the CIA/NSA/FBI make?

#53
post #15

Speaking from personal experience (dating an employee) I can tell you it is not necessarily north of 100K. Most I have spoken with from NSA make less thank 100k and that's with 5+ years at the agency, non-management.

Yikes, hope those bennies are pretty sweet.

I think it depends on how long you stick around. From what I understand the federal pensions are decent but not enough to live off of, you still need to save some money for retirement. People who have been at the NSA a really long time accrue vacation at almost European rates (around 1 month per year)

Re: How much do hackers at the CIA/NSA/FBI make?

#54

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damn thats terrible

It's not a job you go into for the money. They're making like twice the median income for the US, that's more than enough to live comfortably. Frankly, you don't get involved in that line of work without some serious patriotism.

Or a different "ism".

Re: How much do hackers at the CIA/NSA/FBI make?

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of those positions aren't in high cost areas, especially if you don't have kids. The area near Fort Meade, MD isn't too bad. San Antonio, TX is reasonable. Aurora, CO (just outside of Denver) isn't bad either, neither is Augusta, Georgia. A starting salary of $70-$80k for a recent college grad goes a long ways in those areas.

Fort Meade, Maryland? Are you kidding me, I'm in the DC area you're looking at close to a 1/2 million dollars for a reasonable house in a decent neighborhood in that area, not to mention Maryland's taxes are some of the highest in the country. On top of all of that, you have neighboring PG County, Maryland where corruption and crime are out of control, as well as terrible traffic around the entire DC metro area. Of a…

Where are you looking? There are some bad areas for sure, but there are certainly good areas with decent pricing (Talking about ~30min drive to NSA or defense contractor in the area, if you are speaking about closer then disregard).

Re: How much do hackers at the CIA/NSA/FBI make?

#56
post #13

North of 100k, south of 200k. Assuming some level of seniority or subject matter expertise. After that, there is a ceiling, so most will work for private firms or consult, making 2x, 3x, or much more.

USG employees vs. contractor is an important distinction. Your ranges imply your friends are contractors. See techjuice's post for USG ranges.

GS12 w/ DC metro COLA and no engineering band bonus gets just across the line into 6 figures (103K).

Most senior technical folks (not just out of school/military, and not supervisor/team lead level) are going to be GS12-13.

Still, (almost) no one is making 200K as a federal employee.

Re: How much do hackers at the CIA/NSA/FBI make?

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of those positions aren't in high cost areas, especially if you don't have kids. The area near Fort Meade, MD isn't too bad. San Antonio, TX is reasonable. Aurora, CO (just outside of Denver) isn't bad either, neither is Augusta, Georgia. A starting salary of $70-$80k for a recent college grad goes a long ways in those areas.

Fort Meade, Maryland? Are you kidding me, I'm in the DC area you're looking at close to a 1/2 million dollars for a reasonable house in a decent neighborhood in that area, not to mention Maryland's taxes are some of the highest in the country. On top of all of that, you have neighboring PG County, Maryland where corruption and crime are out of control, as well as terrible traffic around the entire DC metro area. Of a…

Living in coastal California, I wish I could buy a reasonable house in a decent neighborhood for close to 1/2 million dollars. In the neighborhood where i'm currently renting it's strictly 800k+, and I'm in one of the least desired elementary-school districts in town.

Re: How much do hackers at the CIA/NSA/FBI make?

#58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of those positions aren't in high cost areas, especially if you don't have kids. The area near Fort Meade, MD isn't too bad. San Antonio, TX is reasonable. Aurora, CO (just outside of Denver) isn't bad either, neither is Augusta, Georgia. A starting salary of $70-$80k for a recent college grad goes a long ways in those areas.

Fort Meade, Maryland? Are you kidding me, I'm in the DC area you're looking at close to a 1/2 million dollars for a reasonable house in a decent neighborhood in that area, not to mention Maryland's taxes are some of the highest in the country. On top of all of that, you have neighboring PG County, Maryland where corruption and crime are out of control, as well as terrible traffic around the entire DC metro area. Of a…

Living near Fort Meade is the most expensive of that group, but it's still a lot, lot less than DC or SV.

I've priced stuff out in that area. It's not as bad as you're making it out to be. There's a number of decent areas with reasonable housing, it only gets more expensive if you're concerned about also having a shorter drive into DC.

Re: How much do hackers at the CIA/NSA/FBI make?

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

damn thats terrible

It's not a job you go into for the money. They're making like twice the median income for the US, that's more than enough to live comfortably. Frankly, you don't get involved in that line of work without some serious patriotism.

Not in the DC area.

Re: How much do hackers at the CIA/NSA/FBI make?

#60
post #36
post #8

From the sounds of other posts you're making similar money to what you would at the big 4 (5?). I think another question to ask is what other reasons would you want to work at these companies? The possibility to learn from other smart people? The opportunity to work on problems you couldn't get elsewhere?

After doing a bit of sleuthing on OP's account where did you see any information that would suggest he is working at the big 4/5?

I think by "you're" he was referring to a general person working for government hacking agencies, not me.
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