It's a little ironic that the article expressed the value of Planck's constant using an SI Unit with kilograms. > Based on 16 months' worth of measurements, it calculated Planck's constant to be 6.626069934 x 10−34 kg∙m2/s.
Right - can somebody explain how this unit of kg-m2/s (weight diffusion? work-seconds?) can be used to define weight? Seem circular.
NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant
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Re: NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant
#52> Scientists don't know whether the BIPM prototype is losing mass, perhaps because of loss of impurities in the metals, or if the witnesses are gaining mass by accumulating contaminants. Can we stop this nonsense? It would be a big problem if it were true, but it isn't. It's the later (contamination weight gain) and we have fairly good understanding of what's going on. For example, see https://phys.org/news/2013-01-k…
Of course, what's probably happened is that our measuring tools have gotten more accurate!
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#53It does not make sense, practically. So they'll be using a balance with multiple moving parts made of multiple minerals that have to be precisely calibrated with margins of error adding up, instead of a simple platinum cylinder? Although, it makes sense politically
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#54Always thought why didn't we have some super complex standard for weight when we had one for length and time. Now my thoughts have become reality. Though since I am non sciencey, It makes me ask Why so long?
> So in 2014, at the quadrennial General Conference on Weights and Measures (yep, that's a thing), the scientific community resolved to redefine the kilogram based on Planck's constant, a value from quantum mechanics that describes the packets energy comes in. If physicists could get a good enough measure of Planck's constant, the committee would calculate a kilogram from that value.
> “But it's a very difficult constant to measure,” Pratt said. He would know: He and his colleagues at NIST have spent much of the past few years trying to come up with a number accurate and precise enough to please the finicky physics community.
Basically, it was hard to measure Planck's constant precisely enough to be as precise as the old standard. For compatibility reasons, the way this usually works is that they will measure Planck's constant and then define the kilogram so that `(k * Planck's constant) = (old mass of the kilogram)`, where `k` is whatever constant that makes this work out. To do this properly, you need to be able to measure Planck's constant with the same level of precision (and accuracy) as the old mass of the kilogram was known. Apparently this wasn't easy, presumably because Planck's constant is very small.
Re: NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant
#55Why is the kilogram the base unit and not the gram?
Re: NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant
#56The kilogram is not the only unit that will be redefined based on universal constants. The seven base units[0] will transition to being based on elementary charge and the Planck, Boltzmann, and Avogadro constants[1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_base_unit#Seven_SI_base_uni... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_redefinition_of_SI_ba...
Slightly off-topic, but looking at the temperature section in your second link reminded me of the latest video from Linus Tech Tips[1] where he gets bashed for using the expression "degrees Kelvin". Personally, I don't see the problem. Since a kelvin is a hundredth of the difference between boiling and freezing temperatures of water, there is a notion of scale so the term "degrees" makes sense. 1. https://www.youtube…
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's kind of not important because nobody measures the kinds of things that require the level of precision applied to the kilogram definition using pounds.
I was about to argue that the illegal drug trade might be a counter-example, but haven't they gone metric, too?
Re: NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant
#58Why is the kilogram the base unit and not the gram?
Re: NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant
#59> Scientists don't know whether the BIPM prototype is losing mass, perhaps because of loss of impurities in the metals, or if the witnesses are gaining mass by accumulating contaminants. Can we stop this nonsense? It would be a big problem if it were true, but it isn't. It's the later (contamination weight gain) and we have fairly good understanding of what's going on. For example, see https://phys.org/news/2013-01-k…
As Veritasium explains [0], all of the reference kilograms have drifted, and some appear to weigh less than they used to. So even if we know the precise mechanism of action of the drift, it doesn't help with the fact that our measurements are less reliable than they used to be. Of course, what's probably happened is that our measuring tools have gotten more accurate! [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMByI4s-D-Y
Re: NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant
#60Always thought why didn't we have some super complex standard for weight when we had one for length and time. Now my thoughts have become reality. Though since I am non sciencey, It makes me ask Why so long?
The article explains, albeit it's maybe not very obvious if you aren't acquanited with metrology. > So in 2014, at the quadrennial General Conference on Weights and Measures (yep, that's a thing), the scientific community resolved to redefine the kilogram based on Planck's constant, a value from quantum mechanics that describes the packets energy comes in. If physicists could get a good enough measure of Planck's con…