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Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

#51
There's evidence that chiropractic is effective in certain domains, the problem is that the scope of practice of chiropractic is not limited to those domains.

It's essentially pseudoscientific alternative medicine that has since had utility confirmed in some areas. But then, so is much actual medicine, the problem is that quackery remains more pervasive in churopractic. You can find chiros that aren't quacks, though; it's not like homeopathy.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

#52
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should read up on the placebo effect. edit: Just to clarify, there is no scientific evidence that chiro is effective as anything other than placebo. All evidence provided is anecdotal and hence useless.

OK. So let's say it is the placebo effect. You can pay $50 for a massage that will manage your pain or better yet get rid of it or you can pay 100's of dollars and your insurance 1000's to be relieved of the pain with pain killers and medicine you don't need. For my money I'll choose the $50 and if it doesn't work then I'll consider other treatment options. Its seems hospitals are starting to wise up to this too. Her…

Not sure what the contention is. We agree.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

#53
post #37

Sample size 1 observations: I've been going to chiropractors off and on for a few years. I started with a lower back injury, saw my primary care physician, went to PT, and after a few visits she recommended seeing a chiropractor. It took a while before I found a chiropractor I was comfortable with. Most over-promised and had a ton of halo-effect services they constantly pushed. I found one that also offered massage a…

Deadlifting and squatting regularly has eliminated my lower back pain.

I'll give that a shot as well. Sounds like I'll need some equipment to do that.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

#54
I'd like to see a study of the correlation between people that believe Chiropractics is bullshit and people that believe climate change isn't real.

Seriously, if you've ever been to a chiropractor for back and neck related problems, you know that it's at the VERY LEAST not bullshit. Claiming it's all just quack science is completely ignorant.

I do know that chiropractors have long struggled to keep clientele, because people come when they're hurting, and stop coming when they feel better. So, some chiropractors have taken to questionable methods to keep people coming back. The ones on the up-and-up will, quite correctly, tell you that just cracking your back isn't going to fix your problem, and that you need to do strengthening exercises of the core muscles that keep your bones in the correct spots, and to fix your posture problems.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

#55
Hmmm, the author doesn't seem to realise there are several different branches/systems/approaches of "chiropractors".

The bone cracking ones which the author seems to be familiar with I'd personally agree.

There is a system called NeuroLink though which (in personal experience for several years) does work:

http://www.neurolinkglobal.com

No bone cracking required. :)

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

#56
post #54

I'd like to see a study of the correlation between people that believe Chiropractics is bullshit and people that believe climate change isn't real. Seriously, if you've ever been to a chiropractor for back and neck related problems, you know that it's at the VERY LEAST not bullshit. Claiming it's all just quack science is completely ignorant. I do know that chiropractors have long struggled to keep clientele, because…

I went to a chiro for neck and shoulder pain regularly for a couple of months. I felt nominally better for a couple of hours after each session, but then the problem came right back. They also told me to stretch, which was obvious.

Took a trip to a doctor and got a useful diagnosis at the first visit. So I would say no, going to a chiro does not prove it to be more than complete BS. They stretched out my tight muscles/tendons which gave me minor temporary relief. Woohoo.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

#57
post #16

Totally not bullshit. Hospitals alone kill close to 100,000 Americans alone each year. https://www.propublica.org/article/how-many-die-from-medical... Chiropractors are good: 1) Personal experience. They have helped my spine recover multiple times, in record recovery time. 2) Modern medicine consists of prescribing drugs, or high risk surgeries. Paralysis for life is a real risk. 3) If you get a great one, they will…

I don’t know what the more common treatment paths are but im fairly sure that the first line treatment path from modern medicine is working with a physical therapist, not surgery.

Modern medicine; you realize that just means it's new, right? From personal experience I can almost guarantee that the physical therapist would be just as clue-less as the rest of the white-coats. Their main task isn't to solve problems, it's to generate profits; and you don't generate maximum profits by solving problems.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

#58
post #39

Totally not bullshit. Hospitals alone kill close to 100,000 Americans alone each year. https://www.propublica.org/article/how-many-die-from-medical... Chiropractors are good: 1) Personal experience. They have helped my spine recover multiple times, in record recovery time. 2) Modern medicine consists of prescribing drugs, or high risk surgeries. Paralysis for life is a real risk. 3) If you get a great one, they will…

>Hospitals alone kill close to 100,000 Americans alone each year. Oh please. In any tech related topic there'd be a hundred people telling you that perfect is the enemy of the good. Why does this site that prides itself on logical and level-headed discussion always go full-whacko when it comes to healthcare?

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Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

#59
post #54

I'd like to see a study of the correlation between people that believe Chiropractics is bullshit and people that believe climate change isn't real. Seriously, if you've ever been to a chiropractor for back and neck related problems, you know that it's at the VERY LEAST not bullshit. Claiming it's all just quack science is completely ignorant. I do know that chiropractors have long struggled to keep clientele, because…

Are you suggesting that belief in the efficacy of chiropractic correlates with belief that climate change isn't real, or the reverse?

It seems to me that skepticism of the medical establishment and skepticism of mainstream environmental science would go hand-in-hand, but I also think chiropractic is bullshit (and I've been to a chiropractor for back and neck related problems).

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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post #56
post #54

I'd like to see a study of the correlation between people that believe Chiropractics is bullshit and people that believe climate change isn't real. Seriously, if you've ever been to a chiropractor for back and neck related problems, you know that it's at the VERY LEAST not bullshit. Claiming it's all just quack science is completely ignorant. I do know that chiropractors have long struggled to keep clientele, because…

I went to a chiro for neck and shoulder pain regularly for a couple of months. I felt nominally better for a couple of hours after each session, but then the problem came right back. They also told me to stretch, which was obvious. Took a trip to a doctor and got a useful diagnosis at the first visit. So I would say no, going to a chiro does not prove it to be more than complete BS. They stretched out my tight muscle…

Well, how many people go to doctors and get no useful information or solutions to their problems? Tons. It doesn't follow that doctors are bullshit. (And I would argue that a couple hours of nominally feeling better is more than those people get from a doctor visit, but I digress)

If your problems are spine/neck/etc related, having yourself adjusted will provide relief, and strengthening, stretching and maintaining good posture habits will help keep those things from recurring. And, of course, as you age, the body breaks down... there's only so much that can be corrected.

I will say, strengthening my core made the most difference in my spine/neck pain. Heavy weight squats, push ups, planks, etc.

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