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Re: AlphaGo's next move

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Post by yeukhon »

wiz21c wrote: post #50
yeukhon wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most importanly, it is almost inevitable they must run on a fam of computers basically mean it becomes a service. Can we ever create a robot who can self-learn but with the super brain power locally without having to call a service for an answer?

This raises a question for me : is there currently some public infrastructure that can rival with AlphaGo ?

Public means API? AlphaGo is very specialized in solving Go game. Google, Amazon and IBM have services for various services like image recongition and speech recongition. Startups like Clarifi also exists in that space.

The closest to a generalized AI service would probably be Watson from IBM (but I don't have experiment with it sadly so I am not sure about the usage experience).

Re: AlphaGo's next move

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Post by nl »

yeukhon wrote: post #51
wiz21c wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This raises a question for me : is there currently some public infrastructure that can rival with AlphaGo ?

Public means API? AlphaGo is very specialized in solving Go game. Google, Amazon and IBM have services for various services like image recongition and speech recongition. Startups like Clarifi also exists in that space. The closest to a generalized AI service would probably be Watson from IBM (but I don't have experiment with it sadly so I am not sure about the usage experience).

> The closest to a generalized AI service would probably be Watson from IBM

Ha ha ha!

Re: AlphaGo's next move

#53

Post by doktrin »

Grazester wrote: post #48
nathan_f77 wrote: post #44

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> our world is close to being completely upheaved by intelligent machines, in all areas of intellectual pursuit I could see myself losing the passion for software engineering and design if an AI can do it better. That would have to be a general AI, and hopefully another couple of decades away. I wonder if I could enjoy movies or books written by an AI. Scary to think about the psychological manipulation it would be c…

I have been thinking about this a lot lately!!! I honestly feel a little depressed. I guess getting into AI would have to be the next step for people once interested in the programming field .

> I guess getting into AI would have to be the next step for people once interested in the programming field

I don't follow. If a hypothetical general AI is sophisticated enough to replace software developers, wouldn't it also be capable of replacing AI / ML researchers?

Re: AlphaGo's next move

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Post by wiz21c »

yeukhon wrote: post #51
wiz21c wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This raises a question for me : is there currently some public infrastructure that can rival with AlphaGo ?

Public means API? AlphaGo is very specialized in solving Go game. Google, Amazon and IBM have services for various services like image recongition and speech recongition. Startups like Clarifi also exists in that space. The closest to a generalized AI service would probably be Watson from IBM (but I don't have experiment with it sadly so I am not sure about the usage experience).

Public in the sense of non proprietary, in this case most likely universities.

My question was more : Google probably based its tools on existing tools, and those most likely come from universities (research paper, computer infrastructures, etc.). So what are those tools, where are they ?

Re: AlphaGo's next move

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Post by doktrin »

nl wrote: post #52
yeukhon wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Public means API? AlphaGo is very specialized in solving Go game. Google, Amazon and IBM have services for various services like image recongition and speech recongition. Startups like Clarifi also exists in that space. The closest to a generalized AI service would probably be Watson from IBM (but I don't have experiment with it sadly so I am not sure about the usage experience).

> The closest to a generalized AI service would probably be Watson from IBM Ha ha ha!

>> The closest to a generalized AI service would probably be Watson from IBM

> Ha ha ha!

can you expand on that for those of us who don't know much about the field?

Re: AlphaGo's next move

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Post by Filligree »

doktrin wrote: post #53
Grazester wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been thinking about this a lot lately!!! I honestly feel a little depressed. I guess getting into AI would have to be the next step for people once interested in the programming field .

> I guess getting into AI would have to be the next step for people once interested in the programming field I don't follow. If a hypothetical general AI is sophisticated enough to replace software developers, wouldn't it also be capable of replacing AI / ML researchers?

Yes, but that's the point at which you get recursive self-improvement. A little bit afterwards there'll be nothing humans are best at.

Fortunately someone already started working on "fun theory".

It won't be a sharp cut, though. Computers will begin partially automating AI development a while before it's fully automated.

Re: AlphaGo's next move

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Post by miiw »

binarymax wrote: post #3

I remember vividly in 1997 when Deep Blue defeated Kasparov, and I was a competitive chess player. The mystique of the game was immediately lost for me, and I never found the passion for the game that I once had. My heart goes out to the sea of Go players now searching for meaning in the game. At the very least we can take this signal as a true indicator that our world is close to being completely upheaved by intelli…

Speak for yourself. I paint because I like to paint. It doesn't matter to me if the spectrum of painting technique or theory has been fully explored.

You are expressing a highly misguided viewpoint about what it means to be in touch with beauty.

Nobody has the capacity to build the Pyramids or the Taj Mahal today. So what? Architects haven't shut shop.

Re: AlphaGo's next move

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Post by rasz »

probably_wrong wrote: post #12
binarymax wrote: post #3

I remember vividly in 1997 when Deep Blue defeated Kasparov, and I was a competitive chess player. The mystique of the game was immediately lost for me, and I never found the passion for the game that I once had. My heart goes out to the sea of Go players now searching for meaning in the game. At the very least we can take this signal as a true indicator that our world is close to being completely upheaved by intelli…

There are several activities right now that people keep doing despite machines being better suited: martial arts (and more in point, HEMA[1]), handicrafts, several Olympic sports. Why would anyone attempt to run a marathon under two hours, when any car can do it in 30 minutes? I think the answer lies less in "I will be the absolute best", and more along the lines of "I will do it better than anyone before me". And so…

>martial arts

look into what happened to popularity of most bullshido martial arts after UFC (MMA) blew up.

Re: AlphaGo's next move

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Post by codecamper »

"We have always believed in the potential for AI to help society discover new knowledge and benefit from it" Get real. You do this for your own intellectual gain. Google does it for financial gain.

Meanwhile, Antarctica may crumble. How about putting effort into solving THAT problem, with all your technology & knowhow Google?

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