"impact" is also not a verb. I'm sure Nero Wolfe would agree with me on that, if he were here today.
Actually, impact has been a verb for a very long time... though generally referring to wisdom teeth or, uh, feces.
"Login" is not a verb
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Re: "Login" is not a verb
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, some phrases (and yes, phrasal verbs) get concatenated over time, like "understand", "overtake", "courtmarshal", "becalm", "whipsaw", etc. The conjugation and number rules work themselves out eventually, for example, "courts-marshal", "overtook". It's just one of the ways languages mutate. Usually the noun form mutates first, and later on the verb form, but not always.
Following the model of "understand" -- I'm going to start going with "inlog". Inlogging, inlogged, inlogs -- it just works!
Go get 'em, tiger.
Re: "Login" is not a verb
#53If it walks like a duck....
Re: "Login" is not a verb
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
orly? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/viii
VIII? That's not a word, it's a number. Or, more accurately, it's a representation of a number using characters which happen to be letters of the alphabet.
Just as words are representations of ideas using characters which happen to be letters of the alphabet. This is all sarcasm, by the way.
Re: "Login" is not a verb
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
As soon as you say some usage is incorrect or "goes to far," you're claiming there's a line in the sand somewhere. Who is going to draw that line? There would have to be some governing body. Personally I'd rather argue that random speakers tend to be wrong, then try to lobby a language-government to change a language if there was something I disagreed with. On top of that, the fact of the matter is that we use differ…
you're claiming there's a line in the sand somewhere. The only solid line I drew was that flat-out anarchy is a step too far. You talk about governing bodies and "language governments," even though I endorsed the current "middle way" paradigm of house styles (like the Chicago Manual of Style, the Associated Press house style, the Times of London style) as offering the best of both worlds. There is no dichotomy of a t…
You mention "what is considered professional" in written English. The problem is, it's impossible to be completely confident that your written piece is correct because there is no formal definition of "correct." Take for example gender-neutral third-person pronouns. We don't really have one in English. You can say "he or she" or "the user" or even the dubious "they," but none really sound "correct." If there were a formal grammar for English, you could just use "they" (assuming that is what the grammar specifies) and no one could really argue that you're incorrect or using "bad style." There are local style guides, and I think they're a good thing, but aren't most of them not public and free? I know MLA isn't free, which is ironic since universities often require you conform to MLA style (also, MLA isn't a very formal grammar when it comes to citing sources).
When I say "language government," I don't necessarily mean there would be any relation with an actual government. In fact, any free and amendable formal grammar/style guide would qualify as "language government."
Re: "Login" is not a verb
#56I'm beginning to think that linguistic prescriptivism is going to have a hard time holding up against the crazy mixing bowl that is the Internet and, to a wider extent, globalization. It's fun to play grammar nazi and all, but I've started to resign to the fact that people are simply going to do what they're going to do. Look at the state of English only a couple centuries ago. Language evolves quickly. Who's to say…
> "Google" and "email" did "Google" and "email" don't contain prepositions. I log in. You log in. We all logged in. I login. You login. We all logined. What? We all loggedined? We all loggedin? If we just acknowledge that "login" is a noun referring to your credentials, where as "log in" (or "log on") means to supply one's login/credentials, then it's all hunky-dory.
'If we just acknowledge that "login" is a noun referring to your credentials, where as "log in" (or "log on") means to supply one's login/credentials, then it's all hunky-dory.'
If only. According to the James Study of Casual TV Activity, "log on" means "visit this Web site". Any use of user name or password is coincidental.
E.g "Log on to CNN.com for all the latest headlines."
It's a lost cause. I'm saving my energy to preserve the distinction among "few", "fewer", "less", and "lesser".
Re: "Login" is not a verb
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
you're claiming there's a line in the sand somewhere. The only solid line I drew was that flat-out anarchy is a step too far. You talk about governing bodies and "language governments," even though I endorsed the current "middle way" paradigm of house styles (like the Chicago Manual of Style, the Associated Press house style, the Times of London style) as offering the best of both worlds. There is no dichotomy of a t…
You mention "what is considered professional" in written English. The problem is, it's impossible to be completely confident that your written piece is correct because there is no formal definition of "correct." Take for example gender-neutral third-person pronouns. We don't really have one in English. You can say "he or she" or "the user" or even the dubious "they," but none really sound "correct." If there were a f…
When I say "language government," I don't necessarily mean there would be any relation with an actual government. In fact, any free and amendable formal grammar/style guide would qualify as "language government."
I think we have reached an intellectual compromise we can both agree on :-) I think an open style guide backed by a respected foundation and esteemed board (a la the Creative Commons organization) would be an excellent idea.
You are right about the slightly closed nature of style guides. I'm a big fan of the Chicago Manual of Style but it's not free, and nor is the fine AP Stylebook (they even charge $20 or something for their iPhone app..)
Re: "Login" is not a verb
#58Not worth getting upset about. Personally, I'm more concerned that we're going to lose the word "lose". Everywhere I look, I see people sticking an extra o in there. "You loose" etc.
Or "then", as in "My spelling is worse then a child's"
Re: "Login" is not a verb
#59http://loginisaverb.com
It seems someone didn't read. One of the links on that page is to http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/phrasal-verbs/log+in.h.... How does an entry for the phrasal verb "log in" which doesn't even contain an occurrence of "login" corroborate that the latter is a verb?
Re: "Login" is not a verb
#60No other verb in the American language behaves that way. Even in the arcane, deprecated predecessor of American (English), no verb behaves that way. Wait, what? American language? Deprecated predecessor ? Somebody really seems to hate the English people. The name of the language is still English. American English. Just as the language they speak in Australia is Australian English. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wi…
Yeah, I totally switched off when I read that phrase. Taking a dig at the British is totally unnecessary and betrays the author's childishness. He needs to get that chip off his shoulder.
It takes away from his otherwise, carefully constructed argument.