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Re: Let them paste passwords

#51

I've pasted my ultra long pwd in the username field and hit enter. It happened more than once on logins where the form is split into two steps (I am talking to you Google). Why do they split the u/p fields into two steps? Does it add security? Better UX?

The first login page allows you to choose from multiple accounts. But yes, this could just as easily have been done through browser auto complete, but doing it this way means Google can track/link your multiple accounts.

Re: Let them paste passwords

#52
post #17

Slightly off-topic: why didn't client-side certificates ever become a thing?

Passwords were already almost universal even before ANY encryption, during the early days of the WWW and before that too.

Encryption has been around longer than computers.

Re: Let them paste passwords

#53
If you are pasting passwords, you are really using an ad hoc third-party SSO authentication provider (which may or may not also use the equivalent of 2FA) via a manual token-exhange mechanism. Better than allowing pasting passwords, just support OpenID or some similar federated authentication solution, which does the same thing without manual token exchange and the attendant opportunities for errors.

You might want to allow paste, too, but it's the clumsy solution.

Re: Let them paste passwords

#54
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>if you can remember your password, its probably too weak As XKCD famously pointed out[0], Diceware[1]-style pass phrases can be both secure and memorable. XKCD's four word example isn't secure when fast brute-force attacks are feasible, but eight words is still easily memorable and secure enough for anything. The important point here is that "random words" really does mean "random", i.e. not picked by a human. [0] h…

But how many of these can you remember? I currently use almost fifty different passwords. I can't imagine committing fifty different pass phrases to memory.

Use a password manager.

Re: Let them paste passwords

#55
post #9

Of course it reduces security. It makes you resort to either 1.) typing it out manually while you can't see if you made a mistake 2.) using developer tools to set the 'value' attribute directly "SPP" discourages use of a password manager. End of story. I also see this pattern used on banking websites for inputs like an account number. This drives me crazy as well for the same reason. The computer can get it right mor…

I also worry when a site doesn't work with autocomplete. It's rare these days that the developers have actively tried to prevent it from working, but more common that an unnecessarily intricate sign-in flow makes the existence of the password field unrecognizable to the browser. This makes me wonder about the personal security practices of the team that built it -- it's unlikely they typed strong passphrases hundreds…

There are a couple of reasons to actively prevent autofill passwords. The only one I have seen for login autofill prevention is when the password is actually a generated token (ala yubikey,etc) and a password manager won't do the right thing by default.

There are regulatory bodies that require regular challenge of user identity for approving items as sort of a signature mechanism. This is another time where active thwarting the password manager makes sense. Whether or not the regulation makes sense is an entirely different issue.

Re: Let them paste passwords

#56
post #29
post #8

"Justification 2: 'Pasting passwords makes them easier to forget, because you have fewer chances to practise them'." if you can remember your password, its probably too weak

>if you can remember your password, its probably too weak As XKCD famously pointed out[0], Diceware[1]-style pass phrases can be both secure and memorable. XKCD's four word example isn't secure when fast brute-force attacks are feasible, but eight words is still easily memorable and secure enough for anything. The important point here is that "random words" really does mean "random", i.e. not picked by a human. [0] h…

Some of my best passwords were phrases copied from discarded cartons on my desk. For example, I could choose a password,

> Distributed_By: WalgreenCo. 200 Wilmont Rd.

And it would both be very strong, and be difficult for someone at my desk to guess by looking at things on my desk.

Re: Let them paste passwords

#57
In general, more and more sites encourage me to just leave Javascript turned off all the time. If they break, screw them, I'll go elsewhere. The only sites "sticky" enough to make me put up with it are financial, and that's only because they all suck so changing solves nothing. 'Missing out' on Angular sites hasn't left me feel like I'm missing anything in my life.

This ties in to the discussion of Craig's List the other day. It is so refreshing to use a site that doesn't try to be clever. I understand if people find it ugly, but I don't - simple is good, and I don't care if sites follow whatever design trend is hot this week. Usability is far more important.

Re: Let them paste passwords

#58

Of course it reduces security. It makes you resort to either 1.) typing it out manually while you can't see if you made a mistake 2.) using developer tools to set the 'value' attribute directly "SPP" discourages use of a password manager. End of story. I also see this pattern used on banking websites for inputs like an account number. This drives me crazy as well for the same reason. The computer can get it right mor…

Other signs that a site was built by incompetent developers (Or had too much management interference--Devs aren't always to blame!):

Only works with Internet Explorer

Doesn't work with Internet Explorer

Password must have one of 4-10 special characters, but not other special characters. (e.g.: Must contain !, @, ^, &, or parentheses, but not ;, ", etc)

Passwords have no requirements

Right-click is disabled

Video plays as soon as the site loads

Share buttons that use javascript to follow the viewport

Share buttons that pop up over every single image

"Want to see more" when you move the mouse to the top of the screen (Or reach the bottom of the page) (or as soon as the page loads)

Slideshows of any sort

Re: Let them paste passwords

#59
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>if you can remember your password, its probably too weak As XKCD famously pointed out[0], Diceware[1]-style pass phrases can be both secure and memorable. XKCD's four word example isn't secure when fast brute-force attacks are feasible, but eight words is still easily memorable and secure enough for anything. The important point here is that "random words" really does mean "random", i.e. not picked by a human. [0] h…

But how many of these can you remember? I currently use almost fifty different passwords. I can't imagine committing fifty different pass phrases to memory.

That's what password managers are for. Just remember the password for the manager, plus maybe one or two critical accounts (e.g. email) and you're good to go. Let the manager deal with the complexity of generating and remembering random passwords.

Re: Let them paste passwords

#60
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>if you can remember your password, its probably too weak As XKCD famously pointed out[0], Diceware[1]-style pass phrases can be both secure and memorable. XKCD's four word example isn't secure when fast brute-force attacks are feasible, but eight words is still easily memorable and secure enough for anything. The important point here is that "random words" really does mean "random", i.e. not picked by a human. [0] h…

But how many of these can you remember? I currently use almost fifty different passwords. I can't imagine committing fifty different pass phrases to memory.

I use a similar approach and have around 8 of such passwords memorized. The rest are in my password manager.
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