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On Campuses Far From China, Still Under Beijing’s Watchful Eye

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Re: On Campuses Far From China, Still Under Beijing’s Watchful Eye

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Post by agjacobson »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #32
api wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

War in the middle east is ruining the West. I don't understand it and I don't buy the oil explanation. With the absurd cost of these wars we could just buy the oil, or pay for megaprojects to replace it with gas (even gas to liquids), nuclear, and renewable power. There seems to be no rational explanation for the immense gravity well of Middle Eastern war and how it drags in Democrats and Republicans alike even if th…

My feeling (and I realize this is little more than a feeling) is that corporations need there to be pockets of instability, both globally and domestically, to create a baseline of anxiety which makes people afraid to challenge the status quo. This keeps wages down, prevents people from starting new businesses, discourages people from trying for for higher level positions, etc. In other words, some light distant insta…

No. Automation and a large supply of workers keeps wages low.

Businesses hate instability.

Re: On Campuses Far From China, Still Under Beijing’s Watchful Eye

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Post by [deleted] »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #32
api wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

War in the middle east is ruining the West. I don't understand it and I don't buy the oil explanation. With the absurd cost of these wars we could just buy the oil, or pay for megaprojects to replace it with gas (even gas to liquids), nuclear, and renewable power. There seems to be no rational explanation for the immense gravity well of Middle Eastern war and how it drags in Democrats and Republicans alike even if th…

My feeling (and I realize this is little more than a feeling) is that corporations need there to be pockets of instability, both globally and domestically, to create a baseline of anxiety which makes people afraid to challenge the status quo. This keeps wages down, prevents people from starting new businesses, discourages people from trying for for higher level positions, etc. In other words, some light distant insta…

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Re: On Campuses Far From China, Still Under Beijing’s Watchful Eye

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Post by gruez »

hiddencost wrote: post #11
ganfortran wrote: post #6

TIL that pro China talk is against freedom of speech, how ironic.

"freedom of speech" refers to specific legal principles related to what kinds of reprisals the US federal government can take against you for speech (fun fact: there are types of speech which can send you to jail [0]). It has nothing to do with what kinds of actions society can take against you, or private citizens, or private institutions. This is an article about astroturfing. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit…

>"freedom of speech" refers to specific legal principles related to what kinds of reprisals the US federal government can take against you for speech

Legally yes, but colloquially it includes non-governmental actions[1].

[1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/freedom_of_speech

Re: On Campuses Far From China, Still Under Beijing’s Watchful Eye

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Post by ggggtez »

maverick_iceman wrote: post #50

I see this as an outgrowth of left-liberal student bodies clamping down on conservative speech on college campuses. If leftist students can block Ann Coulter from speaking then why can't Chinese students block the Dalai Lama? Every speech is guaranteed to offend someone and that's verboten in today's campuses. As a libertarian, I was always worried about this and it was a main reason why I opposed social justice warr…

Your entry sounds like a fairy tale... And I don't think it's worth discussion.

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Post by maverick_iceman »

paulmd wrote: post #10

Israel's been doing this for a long time. Try inviting pro-Palestinian activists to campus and see what happens. At the end of the day, everyone has the right to protest, whether that's Black Lives Matter or the Westboro Baptist Church or any other group. Always distressing to see it used to further what I see as oppression but there's not really a whole lot to be done about it. You get your opinions and I get mine.…

Try inviting pro-Israel supporters and see what a stink BDS and the general leftist students make. [1]

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/students-are-shoutin...

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Post by dragonwriter »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #47
gragas wrote: post #26

It's interesting how many people instantly try to twist this into an anti-Israel thread.

I'm not sure what you're implying when you say it's "interesting". If you have a problem with the equation of anti-Tibet political intervention by China and anti-Palestine intervention by Israel then state your case.

> If you have a problem with the equation of anti-Tibet political intervention by China and anti-Palestine intervention by Israel then state your case.

As much as Israel has colonized parts of Palestine by way of settlements, its nothing like the Chinese annexation and colonization of Tibet.

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Post by metaphor »

mwnivek wrote: post #29

Link to source, which I could not find in the posted link: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/04/us/chinese-students-weste...

It's literally at the top, plain as day, in a hyperlink labeled SOURCE, immediately to the right of a label denoting that it came from NYT.

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Post by swang »

maverick_iceman wrote: post #50

I see this as an outgrowth of left-liberal student bodies clamping down on conservative speech on college campuses. If leftist students can block Ann Coulter from speaking then why can't Chinese students block the Dalai Lama? Every speech is guaranteed to offend someone and that's verboten in today's campuses. As a libertarian, I was always worried about this and it was a main reason why I opposed social justice warr…

give me a break.

left, right, _anytime_ there is a controversial figure on either side there will be opposition from the polar opposite side. but sure, don't mention the times people on the "left" wanted to speak and were threaten and harmed by the "other side"

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Post by sjg007 »

nostrademons wrote: post #41
api wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

War in the middle east is ruining the West. I don't understand it and I don't buy the oil explanation. With the absurd cost of these wars we could just buy the oil, or pay for megaprojects to replace it with gas (even gas to liquids), nuclear, and renewable power. There seems to be no rational explanation for the immense gravity well of Middle Eastern war and how it drags in Democrats and Republicans alike even if th…

It could simply be bureaucratic imperative. 26 years of war in the Mideast has created a whole generation of policy wonks whose expertise is the Middle East; if we cease to be at war in the Middle East, then all of their jobs are on the chopping block and all of their expertise is useless; therefore, they have a very strong self-preservation incentive to recommend policies that continue the war in the Middle East.

Easier to extract the oil.. then in 20 years build the reactors etc... that being said electric transport will change everything. Oil rich countries need to diversify. That they maintain investments in western countries means that the west can use their countries for military and political dominance in the region.

Oil is cheap not sur why or if it is political. The Middle East might want to prevent tar sand etc... nato might want to destabilize Russia. Venezuela might be an outlier... I'm not sure why it's seemingly ignored.

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Post by ajmurmann »

msie wrote: post #17

I just don't think all that effort is going to make a difference in anti-China sentiment in the US or anywhere else.

It might make it worse. I actually have many things I love about China and wouldn't mind moving there for a few years if it wasn't for this oppressive stuff.
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