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FBI director Comey backs new Feinstein push for decrypt bill

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Re: FBI director Comey backs new Feinstein push for decrypt bill

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> "What nobody wants to have happen is something terrible happen in the United States and it be connected to our inability to access information with lawful authority."

But they're not asking for that. They're asking for the ability to force companies to grant them access to information without something terrible happening.

The only way you could prevent something terrible happening, and have that prevention be "connected to [their] ability to access information with lawful authority", is to have the ability to inspect private data. And the only reasonable way they would do that is to do it surreptitiously.

They could try just asking the user to unlock their iPhone, or demand it with a court order (where I assume they can plead the 5th), but either would tip the suspect off. So they have to do it without the user's knowledge. And the only way to do that is if the company has a backdoor, or makes it so incredibly insecure as to no longer guarantee privacy at all.

The only logical way to give the FBI what it wants is to compromise user privacy.

> During the session, Comey also made repeat plays for expanding the scope of national security letters (NSL) — arguing that these administrative subpoenas were always intended to be able to acquire information from internet companies, not just from telcos.

The FBI claims that they would always get permission from a judge for invading user privacy. In the next breath, they want to expand NSLs, which is invading user privacy without requiring a judge's approval.

Both Lavabit and Silent Circle have had to close down their businesses after Lavabit was unreasonably demanded by the government (in a gag-ordered search warrant) to give up its private TLS keys, exposing all its users' privacy. But no law enforcement agency gives a shit about privacy; only secrecy.

Re: FBI director Comey backs new Feinstein push for decrypt bill

#52
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Luckily you have democracy so her California voters can remove her. They apparently want to keep her so she should stay.

That's assuming voters are rational actors which is clearly not the case

Democracy couldn't exist if there was a mechanism to say certain votes are irrational and shouldn't be counted. It's not a perfect system but it's the best yet.

Re: FBI director Comey backs new Feinstein push for decrypt bill

#53
post #10

I'm confused about this. I'm hurried at the moment, but this seems to a bill that orders tech companies to provide a solution to encryption without having a backdoor? Isn't this like legislating a violation of mathematics or something?

Sounds like the thinking is "Anyone can use backdoors so they are bad but we have to have access to everything. So give us access without a backdoor."

I suppose tech companies could give them a backdoor and call it a front door?

Re: FBI director Comey backs new Feinstein push for decrypt bill

#54
post #47

From his perspective as the head of the FBI whose job it is to achieve outcomes within the law, of course Comey advocates encryption backdoors. He would likely also advocate allowing the FBI to suspend the bill of rights for any suspect during the duration of an investigation, and he'd quite likely prefer that the FBI be legally allowed to torture suspects if extreme techniques were viewed as likely to result in usef…

>He'd quite likely prefer that the FBI be legally allowed to torture suspects if extreme techniques were viewed as likely to result in useful information. To law enforcement, the rights of a suspect are a barrier to many convictions. Not Comey. In this committee session he bluntly said torture is not effective and that his personal standard for what constitutes torture is more stringent than that in the statutes.

That's not a moral position, that's one branch of the conditional:

> if extreme techniques were viewed as likely to result in useful information

He's not arguing that torture is wrong, he's arguing that torture doesn't work.

Re: FBI director Comey backs new Feinstein push for decrypt bill

#55

Is there any good information on what has been accomplished through such access etc ? What have they stopped using such methods? I think if they wanted to get anything like this moving forward they need to show results. Not too many trust the government these days. I do not like the idea of "backdoors" but I can see realistic need for such things. I think many are against such things "until" some massive WMD type att…

If it worked, they probably wouldn't tell us (don't want your targets to wise up).

And if it didn't work, they probably wouldn't tell us (just in case it might sometime...)

Re: FBI director Comey backs new Feinstein push for decrypt bill

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post #47

From his perspective as the head of the FBI whose job it is to achieve outcomes within the law, of course Comey advocates encryption backdoors. He would likely also advocate allowing the FBI to suspend the bill of rights for any suspect during the duration of an investigation, and he'd quite likely prefer that the FBI be legally allowed to torture suspects if extreme techniques were viewed as likely to result in usef…

>He'd quite likely prefer that the FBI be legally allowed to torture suspects if extreme techniques were viewed as likely to result in useful information. To law enforcement, the rights of a suspect are a barrier to many convictions. Not Comey. In this committee session he bluntly said torture is not effective and that his personal standard for what constitutes torture is more stringent than that in the statutes.

Sure, but if the populace and the political climate demanded torture from the FBI and he refused, he would be fired and replaced with someone not so principled in their opposition.

Re: FBI director Comey backs new Feinstein push for decrypt bill

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post #42
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's assuming voters are rational actors which is clearly not the case

I love how it's always the "other" voters that are irrational and voting against their best interests, never the observer.

Your point is fair, but keep in mind that if people considered their own behavior rational then they would probably change it...

Re: FBI director Comey backs new Feinstein push for decrypt bill

#59
post #47

From his perspective as the head of the FBI whose job it is to achieve outcomes within the law, of course Comey advocates encryption backdoors. He would likely also advocate allowing the FBI to suspend the bill of rights for any suspect during the duration of an investigation, and he'd quite likely prefer that the FBI be legally allowed to torture suspects if extreme techniques were viewed as likely to result in usef…

>He'd quite likely prefer that the FBI be legally allowed to torture suspects if extreme techniques were viewed as likely to result in useful information. To law enforcement, the rights of a suspect are a barrier to many convictions. Not Comey. In this committee session he bluntly said torture is not effective and that his personal standard for what constitutes torture is more stringent than that in the statutes.

>...if extreme techniques were viewed as likely to result in useful information

Right, he wouldn't use it because he doesn't believe it's effective. The GP is suggesting that if it were effective and legal, do you really believe he would refrain from doing it on moral grounds? It's the prerogative of the FBI to pursue cases using essentially all effective legal means, and it's no surprise to hear they are lobbying for more tools to become legal.

Re: FBI director Comey backs new Feinstein push for decrypt bill

#60
post #7

Diane Feinstein is old and needs to retire. She is completely out of touch with the needs of her constituency, and comes off more like an old guard republican rather then a democrat that she is supposed to be.

Her term is up in November of next year. Time to start prepping a suitable challenger.

AFAIK, Ted Lieu is the only person that any opposition has produced, and I'm not sure who else is even in a position to primary Feinstein. Starchild ain't gonna cut it.
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