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Re: Systemd-free Devuan announces its first stable release candidate 'Jessie' 1.0.0

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Post by ilwtekuysd » Sun, Apr 23, 2017, 1:34 PM UTC

mdekkers wrote: post #44

anonbanker wrote: post #41

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> why do people hate it? Poorly-designed, poorly-implemented, half-baked ideas, legendary feature creep that presents a corollary to Zawinsky's Law, awful developers, clear political agendas in the devteam, Embrace-Extend-Extinguish tactics, against the basic UNIX concept of "many small apps that do one thing and do it well", an informal adoption of Windows service/logging techniques, political lobbying by the develo…

a literal RPC-based backdoor into the enforceability of the GPL Oh, I didn't hear that one before - any more info?

Some of the 4chan people trolling about systemd try to make people believe that communicating over tcp sockets, pipes or dbus with other processes is a "backdoor" around the GPL. Because a non-free program could talk to a GPL progam. Shocking!

Re: Systemd-free Devuan announces its first stable release candidate 'Jessie' 1.0.0

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Post by INTPenis » Mon, Apr 24, 2017, 6:24 AM UTC

mdekkers wrote: post #48

INTPenis wrote: post #47

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Not from my viewpoint. I'm the one installing the packages and writing the occasional unit/override unit in my daily work. I don't see those complex use cases systemd critics often point to. I mostly see the fact that I get to maintain a few lines of ini-style configuration instead of many lines of bash.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14175261

I'm sorry but those links are no good argument to me.

I've already commented on the fact that MariaDB service unit is 173 lines of ini-style configuration with most of the lines commented for example purposes.

So I'd still gladly trade many lines of bash for hundreds of lines of ini-config.

And sure some projects still depend on shell script wrapping, I myself did for many python services that I run in virtualenv. But I learned more about systemd and eventually could get rid of all shell script wrappers.

But even in a worst case scenario where some project might have to use shell script wrapping, it's still better than ALL projects using 100% shell script.

Re: Systemd-free Devuan announces its first stable release candidate 'Jessie' 1.0.0

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Post by lomnakkus » Wed, Apr 26, 2017, 9:12 PM UTC

aerique wrote: post #50

lomnakkus wrote: post #15

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Did you expect hardware issues? AFAIK that's all handled by the kernel.

I had expected more issues getting the official Nvidia drivers to work but all it took was a package install and a reboot.

Ah, right, Nvidia is always... interesting.