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Re: Iphone 4.0 official video

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Post by paul »

buster wrote: post #48
aresant wrote: post #41

I just walked into our office lunch room where a bunch of non-technical / non-gadget people were talking about the video conferencing capabilities of the new iphone . . . I think that feature is going to be a monster commercial success that every other phone immediately copies. Will probably be the only point that we hear about on the local news / etc rather than Steve's consolidated 8-points . . .

I don't get it. Videoconferencing is insanely old and never took off. First there was ISDN video conferencing.. apart from the job at a telco i did once i've never actually seen one that was used. Second, the first UMTS mobile i got had video conferencing, that's really a long time ago (Motorola V980 btw.) and many UMTS phones shipped with the second camera for years now. Yet, noone ever used it. Atleast i've never s…

The important feature is that on the iPhone it will actually work. Also, there will be enough distribution to actually establish video calls on a regular basis (because both ends have an iPhone).

Re: Iphone 4.0 official video

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Post by nc »

buster wrote: post #48
aresant wrote: post #41

I just walked into our office lunch room where a bunch of non-technical / non-gadget people were talking about the video conferencing capabilities of the new iphone . . . I think that feature is going to be a monster commercial success that every other phone immediately copies. Will probably be the only point that we hear about on the local news / etc rather than Steve's consolidated 8-points . . .

I don't get it. Videoconferencing is insanely old and never took off. First there was ISDN video conferencing.. apart from the job at a telco i did once i've never actually seen one that was used. Second, the first UMTS mobile i got had video conferencing, that's really a long time ago (Motorola V980 btw.) and many UMTS phones shipped with the second camera for years now. Yet, noone ever used it. Atleast i've never s…

Wap is insanely old and never took off. Until the iphone and 3g.

Technologies need to mature and reach a level of performance and usability before they go mainstream. This is what's happening with iPhone & videoconferencing now. This is it's time.

Re: Iphone 4.0 official video

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Post by cmelbye »

pxlpshr wrote: post #36
isamuel wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe not for most people. But there is a large segment of people (primarily younger than the readership of this site) who use iChat AV _all_ the time, and they wouldn't do so if they didn't all have Macs with iSight cameras and iChat AV. Old people are slow to change and sometimes never do. As we get old, we've got to remember that the failure of a product to change our ways of behaving is not proof that it will not…

I'm not convinced. In 2004 when iChat AV came out, I was 22 years old and still in college... I do agree about age and change.

I video chat on a regular basis with fellow high school students with macs using iChat AV.

Re: Iphone 4.0 official video

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Post by sp332 »

OoTheNigerian wrote: post #23

You have to give it to Apple, they are the masters of marketing. It does not matter if all these functionalities existed long before before, they make it seem like a new invention. Just like Mac books, the iPhone will have a small market share but will be very profitable for Apple.

How many phones have 300+ DPI IPS screens?

Re: Iphone 4.0 official video

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Post by buster »

paul wrote: post #51
buster wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get it. Videoconferencing is insanely old and never took off. First there was ISDN video conferencing.. apart from the job at a telco i did once i've never actually seen one that was used. Second, the first UMTS mobile i got had video conferencing, that's really a long time ago (Motorola V980 btw.) and many UMTS phones shipped with the second camera for years now. Yet, noone ever used it. Atleast i've never s…

The important feature is that on the iPhone it will actually work. Also, there will be enough distribution to actually establish video calls on a regular basis (because both ends have an iPhone).

It was very easy on the Motorola too. And it worked with every other UMTS phone not only between Motorolas.

I mean, it's not that hard to pick a contact and instead of "call" press "video call".

Re: Iphone 4.0 official video

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Post by ugh »

younata wrote: post #45
ugh wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They seem to be using the video-tag: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4073000/html5.png Don’t know what’s going on with QuickTime – maybe a fallback if your browser won’t play h.264? Does it work on Chrome without QuickTime? (– edit: Three people [who downvoted me] seem to think that formulating a reasonable hypothesis and asking reasonable questions because of conflicting information is already too much Apple love. Or maybe…

I run midori [1] on a freebsd machine, it works somewhat well (audio problems) with html5 video on youtube. Quicktime is not a fallback, it's still the standard. edit: forgot the link [1] http://www.twotoasts.de/

I fired up Chrome and here is what I saw: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4073000/chrome.png

They seem to do some evil browser sniffing (I have no confirmation but that’s how it looks) and indeed use QuickTime as a fallback if you use any other browser than Safari.

Apple, listen: Thou Shalt Detect Features, Not Browsers! :)

Re: Iphone 4.0 official video

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Post by trezor »

paul wrote: post #51
buster wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get it. Videoconferencing is insanely old and never took off. First there was ISDN video conferencing.. apart from the job at a telco i did once i've never actually seen one that was used. Second, the first UMTS mobile i got had video conferencing, that's really a long time ago (Motorola V980 btw.) and many UMTS phones shipped with the second camera for years now. Yet, noone ever used it. Atleast i've never s…

The important feature is that on the iPhone it will actually work. Also, there will be enough distribution to actually establish video calls on a regular basis (because both ends have an iPhone).

Except you have to call first to verify that whoever you are calling is on wifi.

In Europe where wifi is something you have to search for and 3G is something which is everywhere, this renders the feature absolutely useless.

Re: Iphone 4.0 official video

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Post by buster »

nc wrote: post #53
buster wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get it. Videoconferencing is insanely old and never took off. First there was ISDN video conferencing.. apart from the job at a telco i did once i've never actually seen one that was used. Second, the first UMTS mobile i got had video conferencing, that's really a long time ago (Motorola V980 btw.) and many UMTS phones shipped with the second camera for years now. Yet, noone ever used it. Atleast i've never s…

Wap is insanely old and never took off. Until the iphone and 3g. Technologies need to mature and reach a level of performance and usability before they go mainstream. This is what's happening with iPhone & videoconferencing now. This is it's time.

I guess you meant UMTS, not WAP. Anyway, time will tell.

So, for those video calls people have to use iPhones at both ends although it would be easy to do that interoperable? I am wondering what the word "open" meant on one of Steves slides sigh

Re: Iphone 4.0 official video

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Post by whalesalad »

disposable wrote: post #3

> Chemically strengthened to be 20 times stiffer and 30 times harder than plastic, the glass is ultradurable. ... though the battery is still non-removable, so the ultradurability of the glass is really a moot point.

I'd take a non-removable battery any day of the week, over one that I can pop out any time. I've never opened the battery door on my Nexus, except to turn the thing off from a gnarly overheating freeze. Every time I dropped my HTC Magic, the battery cover would come off, the phone would fly in one direction, and the battery would fly in the other. What does that mean? The phone turns off!

The iPhone 3G was the most durable phone that I ever owned. I could drop it during a phone call (happened once) and picked the thing up a second later to continue talking. You lose a great deal of 1) internal space and 2) structural integrity when you make the battery removable. Having a non-removable battery means that you can skip implementing all the rails and pieces to hold the door on, the frame to hold the battery, etc... gives you a bigger battery overall and more room for other goodies, and/or a smaller phone overall.

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