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Re: Ask HN: How was this ad targeted to me?

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Ironically, that's the only good tech employer in France :D

I wonder if the only action against them is sending them so much traffic their servers can't keep up. I feel with the advent of internet of shit, this will start becoming more of commonplace

Client side re-targeting has two pieces to it: a "segment" code placed on the product page (a marker showing you have interest in this particular product) and a "burn" code placed on the conversion page (that removes the previous marker, so they can stop showing you ads for this product once you bought it).

One could add the "burn" code every time the "segment" code is detected. On some networks that may even result in an affiliate payout.

Re: Ask HN: How was this ad targeted to me?

#52
Former VP-Eng at a product-ads ad-tech company here...

You can think of this as a two step process. First, connecting your Facebook UID to structured data about a specific product in a product catalog. Second, connecting your FB UID to multiple devices/browsers without cookies.

I think the second part (cross-device matching) has been explained well by other commenters: tere are multiple techniques involving IPs, hardware footprints, browser footprints, browsing habits, etc.

I want to clarify a few things about how the first part most likely occurred. There's been a lot of emphasis in discussion on the FB "Like" button. It's true that this is a possible way for FB to observe you have visited a specific webpage. However, it's more likely that there was a Facebook "pixel" on a retailer's website (some commenters have been referring to this as "javascript" or "retargeting"). Most e-commerce sellers use these today. They're basically a FB web endpoint that the retailer can pass structured metadata to that lets the retailer communicate to FB that an event has occurred on their website. FB allows retailers to send all kinds of metadata about all sorts of events - page loads, add to carts, checkouts, purchases, in-app events, and custom events. The retailer can also send very detailed info about the content being interacted with on a webpage, down to sub-SKU granularity (e.g. not just a particular shoe, but a specific color/size/variant of that shoe).

Historically, the FB web endpoint would return a 1x1 transparent image so that a retailer could embed it on their website's HTML and a customer's browser is "tricked" into loading the image from a third-party domain. Thus the name "pixel". This is still frequently done, but nowadays the endpoint may just be a REST endpoint and/or may be called via AJAX (or via an SDK within a mobile app).

Facebook also allows retailers to upload their Product Catalogs to Facebook. These are basically a CSV of structured metadata about every product the retailer has for sale. Then, when the retailer sends a pixel event to say SKU 12345 has been interacted with by a user, Facebook can reference that SKU in the retailer's Product Catalog to learn all kinds of info about it.

A really interesting exercise is to install the FB Pixel Helper extension for Chrome (I'm sure there are equivalents for other browsers). It will show you all FB pixels loaded on a given page and what metadata was passed along. Keep an eye on it as you browse the web, especially the next time you browse an e-commerce website. Facebook basically sees everything that happens. They may as well be ingesting everyone's Apache/Nginx logs. :-P

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/facebook-pixel-hel... (Note: I'm not affiliated with this extension in any way)

Re: Ask HN: How was this ad targeted to me?

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Adtech discussions like this always raise the hair on the back of my neck.

The only thing that makes me feel better is that "my data" is being handled by a piece of software somewhere for the EXPRESS purpose of pushing advertising to me.

I don't believe it will feel like a privacy violation for most people UNTIL we start seeing high-profile incidents where actual human beings get caught looking up and acting upon individuals and their data as people and not programmatically as GUID's with bunch of metadata.

It makes me wonder if entities are buying their way into these adtech data streams for purposes OTHER than market research or directed advertising ?

Re: Ask HN: How was this ad targeted to me?

#55
post #37

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In your opinion which others come close? Which employers would you recommend avoiding?

There is nothing else close, there is no google facebook microsoft in France.

I was going to suggest OVH, but looking at the reviews at glassdoor.com… well, maybe not.

https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/OVH-Reviews-E523060.htm

Re: Ask HN: How was this ad targeted to me?

#56

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> If you have ever signed into FB from home, they know that machine / ip / whatever fingerprint is you. Even after you sign out, its still out. Even if you signed out, they probably still have a cookie tracking who you are, and when your browser fetches that Like button, it will still send that cookie to the Facebook server. It'd be interesting on a shared computer where 2 people (e.g. a brother and sister) log in to…

2 people sharing same computer has amazing effects on those trackers. My YouTube recommendations used to be awesome to my interests till I was single, Now it's all polluted and mostly useless after I married. ;)

Same here. My recommendations used to be video games and tech. Now I'm seeing tons of cat videos and gardening.

Re: Ask HN: How was this ad targeted to me?

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as someone who used to work for a targeted advertising co i can confirm that, overall, this is pretty accurate. And, nearly a decade ago we were doing work to connect fingerprint x and fingerprint y when they were actually the same person (usually on different computers or maybe in incognito). Conceptually it wasn't hard. People tend behave the same way regardless of what computer they're on. I'd be VERY surprised to…

I work on ads at Google. As far as I know we don't connect users who are not logged in out of piracy concern.

I don't think this is true, or maybe it means something different when you take the colloquial meaning of what you said. (Maybe "connect" has a precise technical meaning at google.)

I get targeted ads from google all the time when logged out, even on machines where I have never logged in.

There seems to be correlation between targeting on multiple devices until I nuke all the cookies, etc.

Maybe you mean you only tie my profile to my real name and employer() while I am logged in? Or maybe there are N profiles tied to each machine, and one is "logged out but probably owned by a similar / the same person as these other machines".

() We use google's office suite instead of microsoft at work, leading to hilarious privacy snafus.

Re: Ask HN: How was this ad targeted to me?

#58

Facebook doesn't need to be open in a tab for it to know it was you on that site, and you don't even need to be signed in. You and your computers are connected, even if you think you are careful. If you have ever signed into FB from home, they know that machine / ip / whatever fingerprint is you. Even after you sign out, its still out. Even if you are in ingocnito mode, its still probably you. Then you sign in to FB…

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Re: Ask HN: How was this ad targeted to me?

#60
assume every time you hit a googlebook server they assign a confidence score related to potential identity or demographic and rank.

"what are the odds this is a woman? a doctor? a person living in Louisville? Is this Jane Doe?"

each of the answers to those questions get a confidence score and a rank. then you're shown ads based on whichever verticals you rank the highest.

I think it just means their statistical approximations are getting good.

theories idk

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