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U.S. FCC chairman plans fast-track repeal of net neutrality: sources

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Re: U.S. FCC chairman plans fast-track repeal of net neutrality: sources

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does encryption solve the problem of Verizon squeezing Netflix to degrade its service in favor of its own offerings? Net neutrality isn't about consumer surveillance (which is a problem too, just a different one). It's about access to markets and the ability to choose the services you use on the internet.

I'm not saying encryption is the solution. The solution to internet neutrality and user privacy may be something entirely different. Maybe it is mesh networks of an open source wifi solution. I'm not an expert in networking, but it doesn't take much to understand the policy-first approach is fundamentally flawed.

> it doesn't take much to understand the policy-first approach is fundamentally flawed.

While this is a popular belief, it represents a fundamental misunderstanding of how politics works. Ignoring policy doesn't mean it won't happen; you're simply allowing other people to define policy without your input. In this case, congress should have acted to preserve neutrality and privacy by passing the necessary laws or regulations.

Unfortunately the people that should have been educating congress and pressuring them to act were more interested in complaining about congress's lack of education in technical areas and/or working on technical workarounds. Without any real competition, Comcast et al bought politicians easily and cheaply.

Yes, politicians will pass imperfect laws even when they have the best intentions. You fix that by participating in politics and applying an opposing force to corruption. Ignoring the problem isn't neutral; it's announcing that you aren't going to stand in the way of corruption.

Re: U.S. FCC chairman plans fast-track repeal of net neutrality: sources

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Isn't this what happens when you do everything through the executive, rather than legislative, branch? If net neutrality were required by law, the FCC chairman would to some degree be compelled to enforce it.

Weird, I seem to remember the legislative branch repealing some regulations that nearly all Americans support exactly on party lines in order to make the Internet worse recently...

It doesn't matter at all in this particular instance because the people who want to remove NN own both branches and can do it just as easily no matter where the rules come from. The only things that can persist in the face of a 1 party lockstep government like this is a constitutional amendment, or something that is so widely popular and easily understandable that repealing it is political suicide, like health care.

Re: U.S. FCC chairman plans fast-track repeal of net neutrality: sources

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Will someone explain why certain companies stock, like Google, and Netflix, don't seem concerned about this "fast track repeal of net neutrality" news today?

I just check both stocks, and they really didn't move much.

It's big news for them--right?

(I honestly don't know all the ramifications. Do they figure they are so big, and so popular, they don't need to worry? We will always be around one way or another?)

Re: U.S. FCC chairman plans fast-track repeal of net neutrality: sources

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This is a somewhat unpopular opinion on HN, but I think net neutrality is only a mediocre local optimum. We can do much better without it. Look at Denmark; they top the global ITU ITC ranking for internet service, and how do they do it? By totally deregulating ISPs while setting government policy to allow for competition (instead of trying to force ISPs to follow some arbitrary notion of good behavior in the abject l…

>encourage actual ISP competition I don't know about you but in my town ISP competition is practically nonexistent. Usually it's a choice between Comcast and maybe one other local ISP. It's practically a monopoly right now, which is why treating internet as a utility and treating huge ISPs like Comcast as a "government regulated monopoly" makes sense. This would be just like what we already have with our local power…

In Texas, one can choose their electrical utility, but the transmission line are obviously the same for all of them. Public Utility Commissions (PUCs) work differently in different states.

BTW, reading some other comments of yours on this submission indicates you believe this action has something to do with a law and/or legislators; it does not.

Re: U.S. FCC chairman plans fast-track repeal of net neutrality: sources

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IIRC a well thought out idea has long been to have privacy, in various forms, handled by the FTC. Then the recent change for the FCC was to go ahead and get the FCC out of privacy and move, hand over, transfer what the FCC was doing on privacy to the FTC. I have read nothing and have no idea what the consequences will be for privacy. E.g., maybe the FTC will, net, give us better regulation of privacy or maybe worse.

My understanding is that once these companies were deemed common carriers, the FTC was prevented from regulating them at all. State attorneys general will still be able to prosecute civil cases where harm can be shown, however.

Re: U.S. FCC chairman plans fast-track repeal of net neutrality: sources

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You were warned. You repeatedly claimed this wasn't the place for politics, that the reaction to Trump's Russia-assisted election was an overreaction. Here it is: it's on your shore, and it will rapidly intrude on your career and livelihood. I hope you're happy.

Please don't post inflamed political rants here. If you have a substantive point to make, please make it thoughtfully. Otherwise please don't comment here.

It is saddening to see the HN moderator being downvoted for requesting substantitive discussion. Why not just rename this site 'Left-wing Propoganda Hacker News' and get it over with ?

Re: U.S. FCC chairman plans fast-track repeal of net neutrality: sources

#57

Part of me wants to make a really nice website to shine a spotlight on these corporate shills and track their offenses. Obviously, we can legitimately argue about the merits of some laws and regulations, but others are obvious corporate power grabs that objectively leave us worse off. And to officials who sell us out but are sure to be re-elected, like Marsha Blackburn, she needs to know that there are people who rec…

If something like this existed, with the source code on Github with a detailed contributing.md document, I would spend time on it. We have great tools available to do this and it is a worthy cause.

Re: U.S. FCC chairman plans fast-track repeal of net neutrality: sources

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post #57

Part of me wants to make a really nice website to shine a spotlight on these corporate shills and track their offenses. Obviously, we can legitimately argue about the merits of some laws and regulations, but others are obvious corporate power grabs that objectively leave us worse off. And to officials who sell us out but are sure to be re-elected, like Marsha Blackburn, she needs to know that there are people who rec…

If something like this existed, with the source code on Github with a detailed contributing.md document, I would spend time on it. We have great tools available to do this and it is a worthy cause.

Best case scenario, it gains attention. Worst case scenario, it gains attention and I drive my car into a tree one night or spontaneously OD.

Re: U.S. FCC chairman plans fast-track repeal of net neutrality: sources

#59

Isn't this what happens when you do everything through the executive, rather than legislative, branch? If net neutrality were required by law, the FCC chairman would to some degree be compelled to enforce it.

Yeah, the republicans would have to take an extra couple weeks to slash and burn if it was legislated instead.

You are still correct that regulation is more flexible. It's a double edged sword. Without the FCC to regulate would we have even gotten net neutrality in the first place? Would we be able to adapt to changing conditions easily?

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