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Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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“When you are given immunity, that means you have probably committed a crime.” — Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, in an interview with NBC News on September 25, 2016. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/09/25/gen_flynn_...

It's a nice gotcha, but Flynn isn't an attorney and is known for saying many crazy things even in his field of expertise.

Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Uh, no. Aside from the fact that collusion between a foreign government and a presidential campaign would be extremely problematic that's not the major issue. The major allegation on the table right now is that the Russian government offered Trump a sizeable share of Rosneft, the Russian national petrochemical corporation, in exchange for dropping the sanctions against Russia due to the conflict in Ukraine, and both…

> The major allegation on the table right now is that the Russian government offered Trump a sizeable share of Rosneft What? Where are you getting that from (that it's "the major allegation")? It was just one of many claims in the Steele Dossier. IIRC, in the Steele dossier, that stake in Rosneft (~15% or something?) was offered to Trump and he turned it down. That stake continued to be shopped around and recently wa…

> TBH, I'm not really sure why Trump would need to relieve sanctions in order to get a stake in this, as it's clear they've been shopping it around for a while.

Well, it's probably cheaper.

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I'd guess he'll plead the Fifth.

Can you do that if you're offered immunity?

Not really - maybe related to some other crime but that would have all been figured out in the immunity offer beforehand.

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Listen, I know it's a big deal when the POTUS lies. But aren't we used to it by now? If Trump somehow manages not to be a criminal and a crook (which seems downright impossible), it will be highly unusual for the recent history of his office. Now: other than bluster, what is there actually about this "Russia" probe? What exactly are we investigating? Whether Russia was involved in "fake news" stories? Whether Russia…

You're being down-voted, in part, because you're asking a lot of questions that can easily be solved by web searches.

There's certainly plenty of stuff that's been written about supposed Trump-Russia links, much of it bizarre, contradictory, lacking in evidence, and even verifiably false but still widely believed anyway. Secret communications with Russia via a server in Trump Tower that looked remarkably like hotel junk emails from a server in a data center on the other side of the country from there, bizarre claims involving prostitutes paid to piss on hotel beds, liftings of sanctions and pro-Russian changes to the Republican platform that didn't happen (but few saw or cared about the debunkings)...

Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Has the United States ever convicted someone on the level of National Security Advisor (i.e., effectively a member of the cabinet, such as Secretary of Defense), or even put them on trial? Petraeus got a slap on the wrist, but for actions while he was a General. In other countries, even the heads of state get put on trial. Off the top of my head, it's happened relatively recently in France and Israel. In the U.S., I…

Some countries I know have laws written that immunity is given to the head of the state from juridical conviction until the term is over, but the Congress would have the power to impeach.

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I'm not a Trump supporter (voted for Johnson but would have voted for Clinton if it mattered in my state), but this whole "Russia" investigation feels like partisan signaling nonsense like the Benghazi hearings.

Flynn didn't do anything illegal (I've yet to see a compelling argument that the Logan Act would apply here), just a breach of protocol. It was lying to Pence that did him in.

Manafort consulted for lots of presidential campaigns including Ford, Reagan, and Bush, so it doesn't surprise me that Trump used him, too. Of course, he's a criminal and a sleazeball, and he left the Trump campaign a long time ago.

Tillerson is just an ex-CEO of Exxon, so he might be pro-Russia but not in any untoward way.

It's likely that the DNC was hacked by APT28/29, and it's likely that they're FSB/GRU, and it's likely that they released the documents to Wikileaks. There's no public information that Trump was involved.

The Steele dossier is juicy and is being investigated by the intelligence agencies, so nothing to learn there until they tell us.

Then we have the Yates and Nunes ordeal, but I'm willing to believe that's just partisan junk.

Annnnyyywwaaaay, in an effort to be more rational this year, I'd like to try to solidify my positions and confidence levels via wagers. My general position is that Trump is not involved with Russia in any treasonous or even "quite inappropriate" way.

If you concretely believe that Trump is a Russian spy, or personally negotiated with Putin to get him to win the election in exchange for reversing sanctions or something, hit me up (my email is in my HN user info thing) with your proposed hypothesis and we can make a bet. I won't promise to take on all bets, but certainly a lot of the extreme positions I've seen on here I would. E.g., I'd bet at pretty high odds that he didn't take a position in Rosneft, as someone was claiming).

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I think that the part you are missing is that the vast majority (like 65%) don't support or respect this President at all. Of all the terrible things the government has done in the past 1 / 10 / 100 years, I don't think that a candidate coordinating with Russia about which fake news to publish is even worth mentioning. If Congress has the guts to investigate the Steele dossier (which alleged Trump traded eased regula…

Russia's goal is fragmenting the US. Just as the US did to the Soviet Union. Turnabout is fair play, no?

The confidence with which you express the goals that you're projecting on Russia here is scary. Not only do we have yet to find evidence that Russia did anything involving the election (although we certainly could during these investigations), you seem to have sussed out their goal in doing that which has not been proven, and a motive of revenge.

It's weird. Hearing people talk like this is weird, and reminds me of the run-up to Iraq, except that at least then there were claims to evidence.

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Has the United States ever convicted someone on the level of National Security Advisor (i.e., effectively a member of the cabinet, such as Secretary of Defense), or even put them on trial? Petraeus got a slap on the wrist, but for actions while he was a General. In other countries, even the heads of state get put on trial. Off the top of my head, it's happened relatively recently in France and Israel. In the U.S., I…

>...In the U.S., I can't think of even a member of the cabinet being tried;

It will be hard to beat the Nixon administration for convictions: 2 attorney generals, chief of staff, 2 white house counsels, undersecretary of transportation, secretary to the president, special counsel to the president, secretary of commerce and the vice president!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_federal_polit...

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