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Re: Airbnb “Bribes” Host with Cash Under NDA After Partiers Destroy Apartment

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Post by roddux »

diminoten wrote: post #15

A lot of confusing points to this story. I'm not defending AirBnB, but this story does baffle on a number of levels. > (they came with a professional sound system) How do you not see this coming, from a host perspective? Big red flag. How this get anywhere near as far as it did? "Well I figured the professional sound system was going to be fine in my apartment complex." > Neighbors called the police five times and so…

I would assume that the host/Observer only found out about the professional sound system after the party! Not exactly something a shady guest would inform the host about up front.

I am also puzzled why the guest isn't being pursued for the damages, though. Surely AirBnB can pull up the guest's reservation information and pass it to the authorities? This would seem a fair response given that the police were called so many times.

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Post by Marazan »

dvdhnt wrote: post #42
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #24

Why do people find it surprising that companies who exist mainly on the premise of ignoring laws/regulations they find inconvenient, won't eventually ignore laws/regulations that you think worthwhile (ie Uber and sexual harassment and AirBnb and paying for damages). In addition, I find it interesting that the host is only sending a bill for $8000. It seems as if he is only trying to get paid for his damages and not e…

> It seems as if he is only trying to get paid for his damages and not even considering the damage and disruption to his neighbors (who unlike the host are wholly blameless in this manner). I don't agree with this. Obviously, if a bystander's property was damaged, this would be true, however, the idea of being paid for a "disruption" is silly. It's called life and it's full of annoyances. I'd argue the people angling…

Hey, if some chooses to live next to a hotel then that's there choice. If a unlicensed hotel opens next to them (i.e. an airbnb rental) then they have been impinged on.

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Post by monort »

CptJamesCook wrote: post #4

Airbnb guests constantly rent my place to party. It's been a problem for years, at both of my homes. I block many of them, but can't detect them all. The other day an airbnb guest held a party, and they trashed my neighbor's balcony (below mine). They need to get partying off the platform. It's terrible for neighbors and hosts, and it's not even much revenue; the partiers usually book for one night. Regular guests on…

Why you don't use a minimum stay option?

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Post by jamisteven »

there are endless stories like this with AirBNB. They are right in that they have millions of successful bookings and these one-off scenarios are the exception to the rule, but they are being very unprofessional in the way they handle these matters. I would lawyered up as soon as they started dickin me around.

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Post by cortesoft »

diminoten wrote: post #15

A lot of confusing points to this story. I'm not defending AirBnB, but this story does baffle on a number of levels. > (they came with a professional sound system) How do you not see this coming, from a host perspective? Big red flag. How this get anywhere near as far as it did? "Well I figured the professional sound system was going to be fine in my apartment complex." > Neighbors called the police five times and so…

The reason Dinulescu doesn't go after the idiots directly is the same reason you go through insurance companies when there is damage - because that is the service you are paying them for.

Now, AirBnB can absolutely go after the guests, but they have to decide if it is worth it. It is going to cost resources and money (probably more than the $8000 they are paying), and there is still a good chance that the guests won't be able to pay them back anyway. It is probably not worth it.

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Post by dang »

forsaken wrote: post #2

Countdown until this gets buried by the mods? Ref: * https://twitter.com/bryanl/status/833711188940845062 * https://twitter.com/dhh/status/833701507585437700

Not sure what you're alluding to and it's pretty hard to answer vague insinuations—in fact it's impossible.

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Post by jpttsn »

supercanuck wrote: post #46
twblalock wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Asking for confidentiality about the terms of a settlement is common, and there is nothing wrong with it.

sure, just like there is nothing "wrong" with calling it a bribe. They wanted something outside of their official process.

What if one day the Airbnb exec privately pockets money for getting someone into an apartment? You've already used "bribe;" where do you go from there?

The problem with hyperbole is you will pay the inflation tax on your word choice. Crying wolf, basically.

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Post by twblalock »

supercanuck wrote: post #46
twblalock wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Asking for confidentiality about the terms of a settlement is common, and there is nothing wrong with it.

sure, just like there is nothing "wrong" with calling it a bribe. They wanted something outside of their official process.

When you call something a "bribe," you insinuate that something illegal has happened, but that is not the case.

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Post by jpttsn »

AlexandrB wrote: post #47
mcbruiser3 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like most of the complaints about Airbnb that result in new ordinances banning short term rentals probably originate from bad guests (or irresponsible hosts who allow bad behavior and ignore the impact to their neighbor's peace) who are ruining it for everyone else.

Yes. It's almost like hotel regulations happened for a reason and not because "the man is out to get entrepreneurs".

There is a reason. It would make sense if those regulations happened for that reason.

But I'm not convinced that's how politics works.

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Post by kazinator »

mikeash wrote: post #41

What's going on here? The first half of the story sounds like routine corporate incompetency. Representatives don't read your stuff, can't be bothered to follow their own procedures, and screw you over. Unacceptable but, alas, fairly common when dealing with big companies. The NDA is where it goes off the rails. He's entitled to that money, so why would they try to put conditions on it? I'm sure they're not thrilled…

It's not unusual for settlements to have conditions attached, which makes this NDA thing somewhat less outlandish than it seems at first. For instance, if you settle with an insurance company after a car accident, you may have to sign something which says "that is it", waiving your right to sue anyone for anything more.

If the person is properly compensated 100%, but keeps talking, it can be argued that their material damage has been fully restored, while they continue to inflict material damage against the other party. Thus there is some unfairness there. AirBNB, the company, didn't wreck that apartment; the renters did.

Not that the devil would ever have me as his advocate, but let me play one for a second ...

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