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What's The End Goal for Wealthfront and Betterment? (2016)

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Re: What's The End Goal for Wealthfront and Betterment? (2016)

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Why can't I buy VTI and dividend reinvest? I compared that to Betterment since 2004 and it wins handily. What am I missing? Tax loss harvesting sounds fancy but what's the actual bottom line benefit after fees?

Betterment maintains a more diversified portfolio and optimizes it for a few things like downside risk, explained here: https://www.betterment.com/resources/investment-strategy/por...

Re: What's The End Goal for Wealthfront and Betterment? (2016)

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Since this is a community of programmers, you might be interested in doings things like this yourself instead. There are a couple of options:

- Quantopian (http://quantopian.com/): Python based, kinda a little bit open source (backtesting only), live trades on Interactive Brokers or Robinhood. Has a big community for stocks.

- QuantConnect (http://quantconnect.com/): .NET based, more open source (includes live trading), live trades on Interactive Brokers, has a similarly sized community but the community's attention is spread to other asset types like Forex as well.

Both have numerous example algorithms you can clone and run without much trouble. An example vaguely suited to investing: https://www.quantopian.com/posts/modern-portfolio-theory-min...

Re: What's The End Goal for Wealthfront and Betterment? (2016)

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post #53

Since this is a community of programmers, you might be interested in doings things like this yourself instead. There are a couple of options: - Quantopian ( http://quantopian.com/ ): Python based, kinda a little bit open source (backtesting only), live trades on Interactive Brokers or Robinhood. Has a big community for stocks. - QuantConnect ( http://quantconnect.com/ ): .NET based, more open source (includes live tr…

Also Quantiacs: https://www.quantiacs.com

Re: What's The End Goal for Wealthfront and Betterment? (2016)

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Gurley's post [1] (from 2014) gives one possible end goal: "Learning about Yu’e Bao gave us an epiphany that Jack Ma likely had years ago. If you want to truly disrupt the financial services industry, perhaps you need to stop attacking the transactional experience and launch a competitive product on the asset gathering side. Once you have the assets, all the disruptive things that Silicon Valley types want to do will…

why don't Silicon Valley firms partner with existing smaller banks looking to do more with their balance sheets? seems like if their ideas are truly disruptive it would be a win-win for both parties.

Re: What's The End Goal for Wealthfront and Betterment? (2016)

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Gurley's post [1] (from 2014) gives one possible end goal: "Learning about Yu’e Bao gave us an epiphany that Jack Ma likely had years ago. If you want to truly disrupt the financial services industry, perhaps you need to stop attacking the transactional experience and launch a competitive product on the asset gathering side. Once you have the assets, all the disruptive things that Silicon Valley types want to do will…

why don't Silicon Valley firms partner with existing smaller banks looking to do more with their balance sheets? seems like if their ideas are truly disruptive it would be a win-win for both parties.

Banks are heavily regulated and the government forbids such investments.

> The FDIC permits insured state banks and their subsidiaries to undertake only safe and sound activities and to make investments that do not present a significant risk to the deposit insurance funds

https://www.fdic.gov/regulations/laws/bankdecisions/InvestAc...

Re: What's The End Goal for Wealthfront and Betterment? (2016)

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post #45

If you want a good robo advisor with no fees, check out Wise Banyan. I'm a client, but a happy one and that's my only relationship with them.

I use Wisebanyan as well and would recommend it

According to a link about performance from a comment above, Wise Banyan has done pretty well over the last three years.

https://senzu.io/investing/robo-advisors

Re: What's The End Goal for Wealthfront and Betterment? (2016)

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In the article, it states that Chase is offering 0% funds, yet Betterment claims that their "All-in Actual Cost" for a 100k fund is better than Chase's due to cash drag and a lower expense ratio. (Found here: https://www.betterment.com/comparison/schwab-intelligent-por... ) This is confusing and hard to fact check. Who do I believe?

Index-based robo-advisors generally invest your money in vanguard, ishares, schwab broad-market etfs, which come with their own fees (industry-lowest). The expense ratio is the accumulation of all those fees. To check the accuracy of the claim, you would need to find the specific instruments each company invests in, at what proportions, and add up their fees. Cash drag is the penalty you pay for the time and amount o…

But why keep any non trivial cash amount in this sort of account I keep my "cash" rainyday fund out side of my brokerage account

Re: What's The End Goal for Wealthfront and Betterment? (2016)

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you moved your money to Vanguard and invested in the same funds Betterment currently invests in for you, and you rebalanced as often as necessary, you would get a slightly higher ROI at Vanguard because Vanguard has lower fees. However, all of the things Betterment does for you now would be your responsibility, including asset selection, rebalancing, thinking about how to manage taxes, etc. The bottom line is that…

I know next to nothing about investing and this is exactly why I'm using Betterment. Even with the recent hikes in fees they're still cheaper than hiring a financial adviser. I really feel like I have very little choice but to stay put. However, how does one get started managing their investment account? I have more than 100K tied up in Betterment and trial-and-error type of learning could be pretty disastrous.

Hiring an independent financial adviser was one of the best decisions I've ever made. It's an occasional check-in to support decisions I make around investments with Vanguard and my 401k. Finding an adviser is the hard part, so it's worth talking to a bunch of people so you can find someone that's comfortable with what you want to do.

I got the Wealthfront pitch when I started with my employer, but I feel much better with my current arrangement. Your comment "I have very little choice but to stay put" is never nice to hear in any context, so I hope you can move along from that place.

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