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Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by james_pm »

ceejayoz wrote: post #37
ouid wrote: post #12

God damn it. I do not want to use the Google Hangouts experience. Talk is a simple, elegant chat application. That is all I require and all I desire from Google. And I do not want to be patronized about how I actually want more "integration" with google products.

Hangouts is solid proof that no one at Google uses the multiple account support. If they did, it wouldn't be so awful. I click a hangout link for a work call and get "no one in the call". I have to add authuser=1 to the URL manually to see that it's actually that I don't have permission to it.

This. Happens all the time and then people say, "You never showed up." The authuser=1 tip is great. Thanks for sharing that!

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by ungzd »

This blog post mentions following messenger technologies (Google has even more not mentioned here):

- Google Talk

- Hangouts Meet

- Hangouts Chat

- Android Messages (something new, never heard of it)

(And non-google messenger technologies: SMS, RCS).

How user is supposed to navigate all these? Given that all these things are inferior to even Facebook and is ICQ-grade.

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by ajross »

math0ne wrote: post #33

I use pidgin, how does this affect me?

If you use Pidgin to connect to an XMPP federated service, then that won't work any more.

If like basically everyone relevant, you use Pidgin to directly chat with Hangouts users and to hang out on IRC (the federated protocol that actually succeeded in the marketplace), then you don't care.

I genuinely don't understand the outrage in support of XMPP. It didn't work out guys. IRC tuns out to be all anyone actually wanted, and to the extent that's not true, it would have been eaten by Slack anyway.

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by wykydtron »

wnevets wrote: post #30

Aka their best chat client. Instead of having one great chat platform they now have several not so great clients.

Allo, Duo, Android Messages, Hangouts, Gtalk. Oh you have 3 Gmail's because you've been an Android YouTube and Google Apps user since 2010? Good luck with that nightmare, we'll get all your personal and business contacts all jumbled together!

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by smdz »

scrollaway wrote: post #27

Here's what I don't get about Google. A few years ago, they were one of the only players in the IM game, alongside MSN, AOL IM, ICQ... have you heard about any of these lately? Of course not, they're all dead. Talk was built on top of XMPP, an open protocol, which helped its popularity as third party clients could connect to it. Talk was also built in to gmail, and at the time that was revolutionary: A fast and light…

This has got me thinking...

If the same GTalk was available on mobile, would I have installed WhatsApp?

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by draw_down »

scrollaway wrote: post #27

Here's what I don't get about Google. A few years ago, they were one of the only players in the IM game, alongside MSN, AOL IM, ICQ... have you heard about any of these lately? Of course not, they're all dead. Talk was built on top of XMPP, an open protocol, which helped its popularity as third party clients could connect to it. Talk was also built in to gmail, and at the time that was revolutionary: A fast and light…

So, what you don't get is why using an open chat protocol didn't turn into market leadership? Or...

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by ungzd »

scrollaway wrote: post #44
shmerl wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just failed. Google betrayed XMPP. You can blame Eric Schmidt for it. He gave some lame speech about how other instant messaging services aren't playing fair, so Google should also become a walled garden. And that was it. They made Hangouts and stopped caring about federated IM idea. It's a wonder we can send e-mails between many servers. Imagine someone like Eric Schmidt driving it. We'd be stuck with incompatib…

If ever there was a software example of killing the goose with the golden eggs. Imagine if they thought like that about email?

Google Wave was supposed to replace email.

But actually they replaced email with gmail. Now you can't send email from your own server because it will be blacklisted on gmail by default and noone on gmail will receive these emails. So you have to use "cloud email providers". On Android they changed "Email" client to "Gmail" client.

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by nothrabannosir »

cwyers wrote: post #42
scrollaway wrote: post #27

Here's what I don't get about Google. A few years ago, they were one of the only players in the IM game, alongside MSN, AOL IM, ICQ... have you heard about any of these lately? Of course not, they're all dead. Talk was built on top of XMPP, an open protocol, which helped its popularity as third party clients could connect to it. Talk was also built in to gmail, and at the time that was revolutionary: A fast and light…

> But at least now it works on phones? This is actually really, really important to people.

Very true! Although I think op meant it tongue in cheek. The joke being that the old version could just as well have run on phones, had they tailored the app for it, instead.

In fact, that's precisely what they did. The old talk app for android worked fine, even before they terminated federation.

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by eachro »

At this point I have no idea which Google chat client is which. A few years ago I remember having Google Talk on my android phone. Then after some random update the application disappeared from my phone and was replaced with hangouts. Now is Google Talk the same as GChat? Was Hangouts anything more than just a new branding for Google Talk? I have no idea. And what's up with this Google Allo thing? Again, it seems like Google seriously dropped the ball with branding and communicating wtf was going on. Most of my messages has moved over to FB Messenger or Whatsapp/Wechat and Google only has itself to blame for that.
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