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Enroute Airbus A380 wake flips Challenger business jet upside down

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Re: Enroute Airbus A380 wake flips Challenger business jet upside down

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Big problem is the use of autopilot navigation locked to the GPS route.. this pretty much guarantees that you will fly right below the wake of the above plane on the same route! (Before GPS it will be very odd to flight exactly the same path) ..

It's a big sky until you're using the same road as everybody else...

Re: Enroute Airbus A380 wake flips Challenger business jet upside down

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The wakes of large aircraft are such that even big passenger planes make sure to keep plenty of separation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_587 Is another example (though pilot error likely made a bad situation worse in that particular incident).

I was looking at FlightRadar24 and listening to ATC while an A380 took off from Dulles near DC. Not only did they warn for wake turbulence when the plane was already well away, they held other aircraft for a runway inspection after the plane took off. I'd imagine that kind of wake could kick up some significant debris on the ground as well.

The same would happen with any widebody, the displacement is enormous and it's one very good reason to nail down everything close to the ground in the path of these planes very well.

Re: Enroute Airbus A380 wake flips Challenger business jet upside down

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The wakes of large aircraft are such that even big passenger planes make sure to keep plenty of separation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_587 Is another example (though pilot error likely made a bad situation worse in that particular incident).

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Re: Enroute Airbus A380 wake flips Challenger business jet upside down

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you recall Boyle's Law from high school physics - Temperature is proportional to pressure. Aircraft wings generate an intense area of low pressure over the top of the wing (which is what essentially generates the lift). This low pressure area is magnified when flaps and slats are deployed. On a humid day, the lowering of the pressure over the wings can basically force the air temperature at that point to lower and…

Wings generate lift primarily by deflecting air downward. There is an area of low pressure over the wing where air is taking a longer path than under the wing, but that is only responsible for a small fraction of the lift.

>There is an area of low pressure over the wing where air is taking a longer path than under the wing, but that is only responsible for a small fraction of the lift.

The "equal transit time" theory that you appear to be referencing here (air over the top takes a longer path, thus it must go faster and air under the bottom takes a shorter path thus it goes slower) is a complete fallacy. There is no mechanism in physics that requires the air to "meet up" at the trailing edge of the wing.

Re: Enroute Airbus A380 wake flips Challenger business jet upside down

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This is a reminder that the announcement that you should "keep your seat belt fastened at all times when you're in your seat" isn't just something someone made up. It's a small price to pay in case you ever encounter severe turbulence en route, but it might be one of these things that most people don't realize until it happens to them. Hitting your head against the cabin ceiling can seriously put a damper on your tri…

Yeah I'm pretty sure that's the first rule that goes out the window when you're on a private jet.

And it's the number one way you're going to get injured.

Keep your seatbelt buckled, even when the sign is off.

Re: Enroute Airbus A380 wake flips Challenger business jet upside down

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This is a reminder that the announcement that you should "keep your seat belt fastened at all times when you're in your seat" isn't just something someone made up. It's a small price to pay in case you ever encounter severe turbulence en route, but it might be one of these things that most people don't realize until it happens to them. Hitting your head against the cabin ceiling can seriously put a damper on your tri…

While I agree with the general sentiment, to be honest there are easier solutions here. They could've just turned on the sign as soon as they saw the A380 so that people could fasten their seatbelts then. And then turned off the sign when the threat was gone. You don't need a cannon to kill a fly.

Re: Enroute Airbus A380 wake flips Challenger business jet upside down

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you recall Boyle's Law from high school physics - Temperature is proportional to pressure. Aircraft wings generate an intense area of low pressure over the top of the wing (which is what essentially generates the lift). This low pressure area is magnified when flaps and slats are deployed. On a humid day, the lowering of the pressure over the wings can basically force the air temperature at that point to lower and…

Wings generate lift primarily by deflecting air downward. There is an area of low pressure over the wing where air is taking a longer path than under the wing, but that is only responsible for a small fraction of the lift.

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Re: Enroute Airbus A380 wake flips Challenger business jet upside down

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post #54
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wings generate lift primarily by deflecting air downward. There is an area of low pressure over the wing where air is taking a longer path than under the wing, but that is only responsible for a small fraction of the lift.

>There is an area of low pressure over the wing where air is taking a longer path than under the wing, but that is only responsible for a small fraction of the lift. The "equal transit time" theory that you appear to be referencing here (air over the top takes a longer path, thus it must go faster and air under the bottom takes a shorter path thus it goes slower) is a complete fallacy. There is no mechanism in physic…

Thanks for this. I read a million explanations of how airfoils worked as a boy and they all said the air had to travel faster over the top surface to catch up. Why does it have to catch up? I would scream internally. I'm stunned to find it was never true.

Re: Enroute Airbus A380 wake flips Challenger business jet upside down

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post #49
post #44

This is a reminder that the announcement that you should "keep your seat belt fastened at all times when you're in your seat" isn't just something someone made up. It's a small price to pay in case you ever encounter severe turbulence en route, but it might be one of these things that most people don't realize until it happens to them. Hitting your head against the cabin ceiling can seriously put a damper on your tri…

Yeah I'm pretty sure that's the first rule that goes out the window when you're on a private jet.

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