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Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems
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Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems
#52That is insane. One thing is having poor performance because of the lack of specific processor support, and another not being able to use it at all. Is there a bug in those new processors with backwards compatibility, or is it an evil move from MS?
What is insane? Windows 7 is 8 years old. Windows 8 is 5 years old. Microsoft is still providing security fixes for what are essentially now legacy platforms. There has to be a cost in supporting these new processors. Windows runs on almost anything and the cost of testing updates across various platforms has got to be huge. I also think it is a great way to reduce fragmentation. Windows 7 is supported till 2020. How…
> Microsoft is still providing security fixes for what are essentially now legacy platforms.
The article is about how they are explicitly not letting people download those security fixes.
> There has to be a cost in supporting these new processors.
To provide new support. There is no cost in letting the existing support that works just fine continue to run.
Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, there you're pointing out the actual difference between Apple and Microsoft. I don't even remember the last time I directly paid for a Mac OS (10.6?). Nowadays it all comes down through the Mac App Store, a usb key, or a rescue partition. Periodically Apple discontinues which hardware sets it supports. You can still boot that same hardware on whatever the latest, most patched OS that will run on it - from Apple.…
There is a difference between being not supported and adding some code to prevent the OS from running on this hardware.
But didn't Linux and the gang need to add support for them as well?
Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems
#54Yesterday I received a Gigabyte Brix i5 and wanted to run Windows 7. The process was painful. The Brix has no USB 2.0 ports and no legacy USB in the bios - So keyboard and mouse were non functional. Presumably the ISO was built pre-USB 3.0 era. So I had to customize a untouched image with USB 3 drivers. Drivers had to be downloaded from Gigabytes website. All to learn that MS update doesn't work with Kaby Lake. Great…
> Yesterday I received a Gigabyte Brix i5 and wanted to run Windows 7. The process was painful. Allow me to rephrase that: "Yesterday I received quite modern hardware and wanted to run Ubuntu 9.04. The process was painful." Would you sympathize with anyone who made such a claim? I certainly wouldn't. Does anyone even remember its "cute" codename? Nope. It's that old. And Windows 7 is as old as Ubuntu 9.04. It's about…
And Windows 7 is as old as Ubuntu 9.04. It's about as obsolete as it gets. It's time to let it go, man.
Problem is, there's still no reasonable alternative if you need to run Windows software. Windows 7 is the last stand of Windows that doesn't actively hate and work against the user, so there are some very real reasons to stick with it.
Hopefully when Windows 7 "extended support" runs out, ReactOS will be able to run Photoshop and Cubase so there is an escape route for those of us who still need to run legacy Windows applications. More likely it'll be Windows 7 with GPU passthrough in a sandboxed VM with no Internet connection forever.
Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems
#55This seems like they have enormous pressure from on high to make sure Windows 7 doesn't become another XP that they have to support for 15 years By Any Means Necessary. If circumstances were different, I might even be applauding them for taking strong corrective actions against another XP doomsday scenario, or for moving to rolling release, both of which seem like great plans. The reason I'm not is that Windows 10 fe…
>The reason I'm not is that Windows 10 feels unfinished and buggy to me.
I agree, this is the reason I also haven't moved to Windows 10.
I figure by the time Windows 7 support is dropped in 2020, Windows 10 may be more polished.
Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems
#56The recent pop-up ads, automatically downloading of Windows 10 by Microsoft and bricking devices by Microsoft's friends seems like a good indication of the tipping point for many people. Stallman was right, then? About 10 years ago I made the jump from Windows to GNU+Linux. It was quite annoying because at the time I was still heavily invested in web design and such, so not having photoshop was quite a loss. Nowadays…
bricking devices by Microsoft's friends Eh? What did I miss??
Most likely they are referring to this incident: http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/windows-7-patch-brick...
Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems
#57Once again, there is no technical reason, it's purely political to force people off an OS they're comfortable with in favour of increasing Win10 adoption statistics. Although at my company we're rolling out Win10 at a reasonable rate, we still run Win7 on many machines (I myself do because I have no need for Win10's 'features'), and if we have older software that won't run on Win10, we could be prevented from upgrading our workstations in future.
What bothers me most about the rampant, furious force behind the Win10 rollout is that Microsoft are pushing it hard not just on end users, but on businesses, traditionally and still Microsoft's largest market. Businesses who've bought into the Microsoft platform and buy large quantities of licenses. The idea of taking away the power and control they have over their platforms is not going to sit well with CTOs all around the world; even Enterprise editions of Win10 have 'features' that you'd think would be consumer-only.
Microsoft are backing themselves into a corner. Something's going to break eventually.
Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems
#58The recent pop-up ads, automatically downloading of Windows 10 by Microsoft and bricking devices by Microsoft's friends seems like a good indication of the tipping point for many people. Stallman was right, then? About 10 years ago I made the jump from Windows to GNU+Linux. It was quite annoying because at the time I was still heavily invested in web design and such, so not having photoshop was quite a loss. Nowadays…
> automatically downloading of Windows 10 by Microsoft and bricking devices Downvote for falsely claiming PCs can be bricked[1], even more so by simply using Window-update, which at worst might require a reinstall if the install is botched. [1] The definition of a brick is that something is now completely non-functional, beyond repair and thus "as useful as a brick". Something which can be recovered is by definition…
You are technically correct, but it's not the best kind of correct despite the meme. For any average user, it's a brick, which is what matters : they can't use it, lost all data, don't understand why, and will have to use SAV to have a working computer again.
Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
But the drivers aren't part of the OS nor are they written by microsoft. I don't see why Microsoft would block the OS running on a particular generation of CPU.
If they know the vendor won't write them, it could be argued that they're just stopping the users from making a mistake.
The vendor does write them, at least in some instances. Gigabyte has explicitely announced support for Windows 7 on their new AMD Ryzen boards.
Reference: http://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-AX370-Gaming-5-rev-10...
Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems
#60Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12417399