> Do you expect content producers to get paid? Expect? No. "Producing content" isn't difficult, nor is anyone entitled to profit from it.
It's ignorant, insulting comments like this that give programmers a bad name among artists. Please stop.
Adblock Plus announces members of independent Acceptable Ads Committee
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Re: Adblock Plus announces members of independent Acceptable Ads Committee
#52We're one of the companies on the committee. Lots of strong emotions here, as usual with anything ad related on HN. The fact is that advertising pays for much of the internet content you consume for free. Yes, it's not ideal and the online implementation is poorly done most of the time. It's because of perverse incentives and a lack of regulation in the entire industry that force bad formats, fraudsters, malware, and…
Explain where the progress is in creating a committee that's packed with advertisers who decide which ads the ad-blocker software does or doesn't block.
Re: Adblock Plus announces members of independent Acceptable Ads Committee
#53We're one of the companies on the committee. Lots of strong emotions here, as usual with anything ad related on HN. The fact is that advertising pays for much of the internet content you consume for free. Yes, it's not ideal and the online implementation is poorly done most of the time. It's because of perverse incentives and a lack of regulation in the entire industry that force bad formats, fraudsters, malware, and…
I don't know how representative I am here, but it seems as though the listed acceptable ad criteria miss the point. The criteria focus upon the presentation of advertising. That is nice, but the reality is that users can choose to leave a site and avoid visiting it in the future if the presentation of advertising is annoying.
A more important question is: how can you keep advertisers honest? Clearly labeling content as advertising is a step in the right direction, but I would also expect some measures to ensure that the advertisers are being held accountable for the content of the ad and where the ad redirects to.
Then there is the issue of data acquired by the tracking of users. While I am at the extreme end, by viewing no form of tracking as acceptable, any advertising standard that fails to place restrictions on data handling and collection is basically saying that the abuse of user data is okay as long as you don't annoy the user.
Re: Adblock Plus announces members of independent Acceptable Ads Committee
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
So content displayed through browser should be behind a paywall then? What if the solution is ads blocked for a fee?
> What if the solution is ads blocked for a fee? The day I have to pay to not have manipulative bullshit spammed at me is the day I say goodbye to the internet. Fuck right off.
Would you prefer a paywall? Seriously asking
Re: Adblock Plus announces members of independent Acceptable Ads Committee
#55We're one of the companies on the committee. Lots of strong emotions here, as usual with anything ad related on HN. The fact is that advertising pays for much of the internet content you consume for free. Yes, it's not ideal and the online implementation is poorly done most of the time. It's because of perverse incentives and a lack of regulation in the entire industry that force bad formats, fraudsters, malware, and…
> The fact is that advertising pays for much of the internet content you consume for free. I've never had free internet... which ISP do you use? > It's because of perverse incentives and a lack of regulation in the entire industry that force bad formats, fraudsters, malware, and the pursuit of data and volume to win over quality and user experience. The whole point of advertising is to trick people into buying shit t…
DISCLOSURE: I WORK AT GOOGLE ON NOTHING AD RELATED BUT IT CERTAINLY PAYS MY SALARY.
>> The fact is that advertising pays for much of the internet content you consume for free. > I've never had free internet... which ISP do you use?
How many payments from Comcast to New York Times happen per year? Hint, the number rhymes with buck mall.
>> It's because of perverse incentives and a lack of regulation in the entire industry that force bad formats, fraudsters, malware, and the pursuit of data and volume to win over quality and user experience. > The whole point of advertising is to trick people into buying shit they don't need.
Or, it's to inform you about the stuff that's out there. It's all perspective. "Trick"? What phone do you own? I guarantee you heard about it through some form of advertisement. And before you say that it's only because you read a review about it - I 1000% guarantee you saw an ad somewhere that primed you to even read the article.
>> As much as I don't care for the ABP approach, it's something that can be used to actually make progress and that's what this is, progress. > This is a step backwards, not progress.
Why?
>> It's finally some outside pressure on the industry to change from the segment of the advertising mechanism that matters most - the people themselves. > Bullshit. This is a way of lifting the pressure on the industry, and this initiative is mostly supported by players in the industry. Not the people.
There's no one on the other side right now - ABP is at least bringing the people to the table.
If you don't like it, then turn on and pay for Google Contributor (see earlier disclosure about my employer) and then no ads AND the site you visits actually get paid.
Re: Adblock Plus announces members of independent Acceptable Ads Committee
#56We're one of the companies on the committee. Lots of strong emotions here, as usual with anything ad related on HN. The fact is that advertising pays for much of the internet content you consume for free. Yes, it's not ideal and the online implementation is poorly done most of the time. It's because of perverse incentives and a lack of regulation in the entire industry that force bad formats, fraudsters, malware, and…
> The fact is that advertising pays for much of the internet content you consume for free. I've never had free internet... which ISP do you use? > It's because of perverse incentives and a lack of regulation in the entire industry that force bad formats, fraudsters, malware, and the pursuit of data and volume to win over quality and user experience. The whole point of advertising is to trick people into buying shit t…
I don't agree that this is a step backwards, but I certainly do agree that this is not a step forward.
Progress will be defined by decreasing the amount of obnoxious advertising, until we see that there is no progress and this is all talk.
I do enjoy that both sides are trying to improve the situation, but I still feel like the ad industry has yet to acknowledge that they are the root cause of the problem.
We almost need an advertising "intervention"... If the creation and rapid adoption of adblocking software isn't the embodiment of that though, I don't know what is.
Re: Adblock Plus announces members of independent Acceptable Ads Committee
#57We're one of the companies on the committee. Lots of strong emotions here, as usual with anything ad related on HN. The fact is that advertising pays for much of the internet content you consume for free. Yes, it's not ideal and the online implementation is poorly done most of the time. It's because of perverse incentives and a lack of regulation in the entire industry that force bad formats, fraudsters, malware, and…
> Lots of strong emotions here, as usual with anything ad related on HN. The fact is that advertising pays for much of the internet content you consume for free.
I'd be perfectly happy if ads could no longer support free content on the internet. It would mean that I'd either have to pay for what I want to read, or the author would have to give it away for free. If every bit of ad-supported content had to go into one of those two categories, I don't think I'd lose anything I care about.
Re: Adblock Plus announces members of independent Acceptable Ads Committee
#58We're one of the companies on the committee. Lots of strong emotions here, as usual with anything ad related on HN. The fact is that advertising pays for much of the internet content you consume for free. Yes, it's not ideal and the online implementation is poorly done most of the time. It's because of perverse incentives and a lack of regulation in the entire industry that force bad formats, fraudsters, malware, and…
> The fact is that advertising pays for much of the internet content you consume for free. I've never had free internet... which ISP do you use? > It's because of perverse incentives and a lack of regulation in the entire industry that force bad formats, fraudsters, malware, and the pursuit of data and volume to win over quality and user experience. The whole point of advertising is to trick people into buying shit t…
ISP are providing access/transit, not content. Just because you have a car doesn't mean you can go to any store and carry out merchandise for free.
Advertising, and the greater marketing concept, is not that simple. It's about connecting customers looking for wants and needs with the companies that offer them. There is a certain amount of work in creating that desire (hence the wants and not just needs) but it's ultimately still the consumers choice.
Care to explain how this is backwards progress and lifts pressure on the industry? ABP is a company and extension that only makes it harder for the existing ad networks to continue.
Re: Adblock Plus announces members of independent Acceptable Ads Committee
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The fact is that advertising pays for much of the internet content you consume for free. I've never had free internet... which ISP do you use? > It's because of perverse incentives and a lack of regulation in the entire industry that force bad formats, fraudsters, malware, and the pursuit of data and volume to win over quality and user experience. The whole point of advertising is to trick people into buying shit t…
I don't agree that this is a step backwards, but I certainly do agree that this is not a step forward. Progress will be defined by decreasing the amount of obnoxious advertising, until we see that there is no progress and this is all talk. I do enjoy that both sides are trying to improve the situation, but I still feel like the ad industry has yet to acknowledge that they are the root cause of the problem . We almost…
> Progress will be defined by decreasing the amount of obnoxious advertising
That's exactly the point. Advertising is necessary, but showing that we all agree to a better implementation of it will let us move forward rather than making things worse.
The people in the industry know the reason, but again it's about incentives and lack of oversight. Far easier to just look the other way and make a few dollars than try to go against the grain.
Re: Adblock Plus announces members of independent Acceptable Ads Committee
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure why you got downvoted. I will not accept any ads.
Honest question: Do you pay for your media?
I find that the best media is created by people who have a job other than "content creation to farm eyeballs for ads". If advertising disappeared, there'd be a lot less crap on the internet.