Show HN: Nomouse • Hacker News Board

Re: Show HN: Nomouse

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Post by ChrisClark » Sun, Mar 12, 2017, 1:49 AM UTC

gwu78 wrote: post #41

If I could upvote this, I would. Text-only browser (no Javascript) means I cannot upvote. This might be an unpopular opinion, but it is one based in real experience: If you can ditch the mouse, then you can ditch the GUI. I have not used a mouse on my personal computers in over 20 years. This transition started as an experiment when I was sitting in an airport with a laptop back in the late 90's. Remember those tiny…

I second the request for you goal or reasoning, not because I think you're wrong, but I'm genuinely interested. People might think RMS is crazy, but he seems to be always right in the end. You may be the RMS of mouse usage. :)

Re: Show HN: Nomouse

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Post by dc2 » Sun, Mar 12, 2017, 1:50 AM UTC

This needs a Windows build, as Windows users need this the most.

Re: Show HN: Nomouse

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Post by ryandrake » Sun, Mar 12, 2017, 1:50 AM UTC

blunte wrote: post #43

WesleyJohnson wrote: post #35

I've never understood the sentiment that using a mouse is bad. I see blog posts all the time about how a programmer's job is more thinking than writing code and/or writing good programs is also about taking out just as much code as you put in. So if writing programs is a deliberate and methodical process that - I'd argue it's also slow. Why then is there antithesis that mice slow you down and you need keyboard shortc…

An old-schooler would be the one asking, "why do I need a mouse?" Anyway, it sounds like you're asking, "Why are keyboard shortcuts faster than moving a mouse to a location and then clicking [and potentially having to move to another location, such as the menu that just dropped down, and clicking again]?" Does this really need an answer?

You forgot even more inefficiency: Lifting your hand off the keyboard and moving it to the mouse, [insert your above steps], then moving back to the home row.

Re: Show HN: Nomouse

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Post by detaro » Sun, Mar 12, 2017, 1:53 AM UTC

gwu78 wrote: post #41

If I could upvote this, I would. Text-only browser (no Javascript) means I cannot upvote. This might be an unpopular opinion, but it is one based in real experience: If you can ditch the mouse, then you can ditch the GUI. I have not used a mouse on my personal computers in over 20 years. This transition started as an experiment when I was sitting in an airport with a laptop back in the late 90's. Remember those tiny…

If I could upvote this, I would. No Javascript means I cannot upvote.

? HN is oldfashioned enough that JS on vote buttons is progressive enhancement, not required.

Re: Show HN: Nomouse

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Post by colanderman » Sun, Mar 12, 2017, 2:08 AM UTC

For those using X11 who wish to replace keyboard-shortcutless mouse clicks with keystrokes, I humbly suggest my own project SNAM: https://chris.pacejo.net/programs/snam

Re: Show HN: Nomouse

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Post by blunte » Sun, Mar 12, 2017, 2:09 AM UTC

ryandrake wrote: post #53

blunte wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An old-schooler would be the one asking, "why do I need a mouse?" Anyway, it sounds like you're asking, "Why are keyboard shortcuts faster than moving a mouse to a location and then clicking [and potentially having to move to another location, such as the menu that just dropped down, and clicking again]?" Does this really need an answer?

You forgot even more inefficiency: Lifting your hand off the keyboard and moving it to the mouse, [insert your above steps], then moving back to the home row.

I didn't forget. I just didn't feel like enumerating what I think are obvious and commonly accepted facts :).

It really comes down to thought->muscle memory of keyboard shortcuts, especially those which don't require moving hands away from the home keys, vs the activity of reaching over, taking the mouse, driving it to a certain location on the screen, and then clicking. It should be obvious which will be faster.

Re: Show HN: Nomouse

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Post by clishem » Sun, Mar 12, 2017, 2:11 AM UTC

ajasmin wrote: post #2

I doesn't say but this is for the Mac.

A unnecessary comment, everyone on HN used Macs.

/s

Re: Show HN: Nomouse

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Post by clishem » Sun, Mar 12, 2017, 2:11 AM UTC

ajasmin wrote: post #2

I doesn't say but this is for the Mac.

A unnecessary comment, everyone on HN uses Macs.

/s

Re: Show HN: Nomouse

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Post by clishem » Sun, Mar 12, 2017, 2:11 AM UTC

ajasmin wrote: post #2

I doesn't say but this is for the Mac.

An unnecessary comment, everyone on HN uses Macs.

/s

Re: Show HN: Nomouse

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Mar 12, 2017, 2:13 AM UTC

khedoros1 wrote: post #47

gwu78 wrote: post #41

If I could upvote this, I would. Text-only browser (no Javascript) means I cannot upvote. This might be an unpopular opinion, but it is one based in real experience: If you can ditch the mouse, then you can ditch the GUI. I have not used a mouse on my personal computers in over 20 years. This transition started as an experiment when I was sitting in an airport with a laptop back in the late 90's. Remember those tiny…

You sound like you have a set-up that you've planned in support of a specific goal. What exactly is that goal? A lot of that sounds like it would make doing what I like doing on computers difficult.

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