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A subterranean world of water offers a glimpse of Ramla’s past

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Re: A subterranean world of water offers a glimpse of Ramla’s past

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This article reminds me of a book written by Kim Stanley Robinson, "The Years of Rice and Salt". It's a historical fiction which explores a history in which the bubonic plague wiped out Europe, precluding Western civilization as we know it. The cultural and religious vacuum left behind is filled by Islam, Buddhism, and the Chinese dynasties. Robinson explores the evolution of humanity over the next 600 years under th…

> The cultural and religious vacuum left behind is filled by Islam, Buddhism, and the Chinese dynasties

Sounds like the author assumes Christianity started in Europe and spread to the Middle East. It actually happened the other way around.

Re: A subterranean world of water offers a glimpse of Ramla’s past

#52

> The Pool of the Arches allows visitors to relive the city’s glorious past. Caliph Harun al Rashid, who commissioned the pool, ruled during the Golden Age of Islam, when economics, science and culture flourished from the western edge of the empire in Spain all the way into Asia. The significance and accomplishments of this period became clear as our boat glided through the dark water under the tall arches, still sta…

We know how to build buildings kilometers tall, but we don't.

We know how to go to the moon, and have gone to the moon, but we don't.

We are not currently idiots, but I hope the future can be referred to as more 'significant and accomplished'

It's not about the tech, it's about society getting together and doing stuff.

Re: A subterranean world of water offers a glimpse of Ramla’s past

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Israeli Jew here. And I think that's a bit unfair. There's a critical difference between Islam and Christianity, and it bears nothing, because without grasping this detail you can't really give Islam a fair understanding. Secularism in the Christian World is the result of peacemaking after the Wars of Religion. It's 1648, you want Christians to stop killing each other. Since this involves a religion whose followers e…

> and it bears nothing and it bears noting?

Whoops.

Re: A subterranean world of water offers a glimpse of Ramla’s past

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It's so obvious, I'm embarrassed to say it, but I can't help myself. The Mines of Moria.

I don't remember anything in my history book about the Roman / Orc wars.

Of course, the winners wrote the history books.

Re: A subterranean world of water offers a glimpse of Ramla’s past

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Note: I'm not taking sides, but just trying to be factual. This is very misleading. It was, in fact, Islam that was the cause of the 'golden age'. The Arabs existed for centuries with ~nil progress. If you notice, almost 99% of the inventors were Muslims, and based on their writings, dedicated ones.

I think it's fairer to say that the conquest of developed (Byzantine) Romans & Farsis by the newly-Islamic Arabs enabled the conquerors to reap the fruits of antiquity.

it should be called "the world's first successful merger"

Re: A subterranean world of water offers a glimpse of Ramla’s past

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's fairer to say that the conquest of developed (Byzantine) Romans & Farsis by the newly-Islamic Arabs enabled the conquerors to reap the fruits of antiquity.

it should be called "the world's first successful merger"

Hostile takeover, I think.
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