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Eating less and more than needed on alternate days prolongs life (2006)

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Re: Eating less and more than needed on alternate days prolongs life (2006)

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This sort of result has been showed repeatedly. We really need more (and better) nutrition education. The level of obesity and overeating in our society is astounding. I'd be surprised if most people could even implement basic calorie counting.

Yes most people significantly underestimate their calorie intake by 30% or more.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/03/why-calor...

Re: Eating less and more than needed on alternate days prolongs life (2006)

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This is bad news for bodybuilders. How long does poor Arnold have left? I mean pro bodybuilders are eating around 4000 calories just to _maintain_ their weight at about 200lbs. Eating anything less than that and you're getting smaller. Let's not even talk about powerlifters..

Re: Eating less and more than needed on alternate days prolongs life (2006)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes, it's all very fascinating. there is starting to emerge a small, fringe group of people that believe calories-in-calories-out is a complete myth (or, more specifically, calories-out is a complete unknown given current understanding of metabolic science), which pretty much sends people into apoplectic fits of rage when they hear about it. even if it turns out to be a complete troll, it's great entertainment watchi…

Calories-in-calories-out is important if you want to lose weight. Diet patterns and periodic fasting has other wealth effects.

Cal in = Cal out is always true. However, the Cal in side has a very important % energy extracted modifier. Simarly, the Cal out side is modified by metabolic rate and exertion modifiers.

Those individuals with high energy extraction and low metabolic rate will find it very difficult to eat as little as required to balance the energy equation without constant hunger and living with excessively small portions. While this is achievable, it is hard and failure is frequent...especially given all the other challenges in life. So naturally, asking whether and how these modifiers can be adjusted is pressing. There is a lot to learn, but thereare known factors that can influence these factors. For example, co tinued cold exposure leads to activation of brown fat that generates heat, which dramatically raises metabolic rate (e.g. Californian's feel cold in 12°C weather, but someone in New England would wear shorts in that weather). Interestingly, cold weather increases gut caloric absorbancy to compensate for these expenditures..(sorry Id provide references, but I dont have it bookmarked on my current device).

Re: Eating less and more than needed on alternate days prolongs life (2006)

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The monks appear to use this eating pattern mostly to fit their meditation schedule and not annoy the people giving them food ( http://www.vipassanaforum.net/forum/index.php?topic=1993.0 ), but there seems to be some evidence that skipping dinner is more healthy than breakfast ( https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/skipping-breakfas... ). I don't know if it is enough to balance the social aspects.

There are a few reasons for eating only once a day as a monk. Making yourself easy to take care of is one of them, as you mentioned. But there is another interesting point that a senior monk taught me while I was ordained. He said that one of reasons food intake is restricted is to avoid building up a lot of energy reserves which often leads to getting your mind going on the wrong things, something that's particularl…

Along the same lines, monks begin to gather energy through different methods. They aren't eating as much but can sustain themselves off the vitality of the sun and surrounding environment (if they are in a clean, restorative environment.. basically nature)

Re: Eating less and more than needed on alternate days prolongs life (2006)

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This sort of result has been showed repeatedly. We really need more (and better) nutrition education. The level of obesity and overeating in our society is astounding. I'd be surprised if most people could even implement basic calorie counting.

Having tried implementing calorie counting... how exactly do you do it? You either cook everything yourself and weigh every ingredient. Or you buy totally packaged meals (Lite 'n Easy, etc), or you buy fast food (And even then, the calorie counts in fast food are... inaccurate at best). If I go to the corner shop and get a sandwich I have no idea what's in it and there is no accurate way to estimate. While it's good…

I do strict calorie counting. I cook most of what I eat and do volumetric estimation on the rare days I eat out.

Re: Eating less and more than needed on alternate days prolongs life (2006)

#57

I tend to fast out of laziness and drink coffee, snack on nuts to supplement afternoon drowsiness. Then eat way too much in the evening.

Nuts are extremely calorie dense. They're also very healthy, but yeah - lots of calories.

Re: Eating less and more than needed on alternate days prolongs life (2006)

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a few reasons for eating only once a day as a monk. Making yourself easy to take care of is one of them, as you mentioned. But there is another interesting point that a senior monk taught me while I was ordained. He said that one of reasons food intake is restricted is to avoid building up a lot of energy reserves which often leads to getting your mind going on the wrong things, something that's particularl…

Along the same lines, monks begin to gather energy through different methods. They aren't eating as much but can sustain themselves off the vitality of the sun and surrounding environment (if they are in a clean, restorative environment.. basically nature)

Monks are solar powered?

Re: Eating less and more than needed on alternate days prolongs life (2006)

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Just a guess, but if we evolved as hunter-gatherers, meals would likely have been much less predictable, particularly in Northern winters. So perhaps our metabolisms are tuned to an irregular intake and the regular breakfast/lunch/dinner timing just throws it off.
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