Be interesting to know more about the land owner, the title made it seem like they 'found' the entrance but the article implies the owner always knew about it
I guess they 'found' it in the sense that you find a library or a good coffee shop.
Rabbit hole leads to 700-year-old Knights Templar cave
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#52Not a discovery. Not a rabbit hole. I grew up 2 miles from the caves/temple and went down the hole pictured many times. There's existing stuff about them online if you Google - not sure why the media is depicting this as a discovery - it's not! Not sure if the Templar stuff is correct or not - I've seen nothing to corroborate this. Having been in the temple - it certainly seems very old. The entrance is a hole carved…
To be fair, the article didn't tout it as a discovery. It just said that a local man went out to photograph them and shared it with the BBC.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
About the "oldest vandalization" - I remember seeing an exhibition on Pompeii and Mount Vesuvius (79AD), and there was a bunch of examples of preserved graffiti. There seemed to be lots of "Mr Speaker was 'ere", even then! [edit: oh, article about it... https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/03/adrie... ) [edit 2: http://www.pompeiana.org/Resources/Ancient/Graffiti%20from%2... - lots of examples of texts…
"If anyone does not believe in Venus, they should gaze at my girl friend" Reading these just emphasizes to me that these are people just like us. We might wear different clothes and speak different languages, but we really are just the same as people were thousands of years ago. "If anyone sits here, let him read this first of all: if anyone wants a screw, he should look for Attice; she costs 4 sestertii." Seriously,…
According to the link below, Attice's going rate is ~$24.
More seriously, I agree with your sentiment. There is something oddly comforting, seeing just how prosaic the graffiti of ancient civilizations are.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-value-of-1-Roman-Sesterces...
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
About the "oldest vandalization" - I remember seeing an exhibition on Pompeii and Mount Vesuvius (79AD), and there was a bunch of examples of preserved graffiti. There seemed to be lots of "Mr Speaker was 'ere", even then! [edit: oh, article about it... https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/03/adrie... ) [edit 2: http://www.pompeiana.org/Resources/Ancient/Graffiti%20from%2... - lots of examples of texts…
I can better that by a few thousand years. Egyption pyramids have graffiti tucked into corners, graffiti left by builders. I doubt there is any structure that doesnt have some improper mark left by someone during construction.
I used to work as a welder in a shipyard. Deep in the hold, ribs never to be seen- dicks everywhere. It was almost poetic.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
About the "oldest vandalization" - I remember seeing an exhibition on Pompeii and Mount Vesuvius (79AD), and there was a bunch of examples of preserved graffiti. There seemed to be lots of "Mr Speaker was 'ere", even then! [edit: oh, article about it... https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/03/adrie... ) [edit 2: http://www.pompeiana.org/Resources/Ancient/Graffiti%20from%2... - lots of examples of texts…
"If anyone does not believe in Venus, they should gaze at my girl friend" Reading these just emphasizes to me that these are people just like us. We might wear different clothes and speak different languages, but we really are just the same as people were thousands of years ago. "If anyone sits here, let him read this first of all: if anyone wants a screw, he should look for Attice; she costs 4 sestertii." Seriously,…
You might appreciate some Greek classics. I had the same epiphany while reading Aristophanes for the first time.
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#56RUN AWAY. RUN AWAY
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#57What are those candles made of? 700 years and still going. Unless of course that is an anachronism designed to make the cave look more mystical.
I read that they had sealed the caves few years ago because they were attracting black magic people
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#58What are those candles made of? 700 years and still going. Unless of course that is an anachronism designed to make the cave look more mystical.
"Urban explorers" stage scenes like this all the time. Some people seem to be dead against it but I like it. Certainly better than the people who get into these places just to vandalise everything. :)
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
HN is actively moderated by admins. That's a fundamental and vital difference.
So is Reddit?
Reddit is moderated by mods, who are independent of the site.
Any random space alien cat can become a Reddit mod, and does. You've got to be hired by Reddit directly to become an admin.
The philosophy of Reddit is to allow subreddits to operate with very broad autonomy, save a few specific behavioural exceptions. There have been instances (spez's rewrites, for which he's apologised, of a small set of abusive comments), otherwise, but the overall philosophy is hands-off.
HN's is very much hands on, though it's mostly gentle guidance: admonitions, thread detaching, and if necessary, banning accounts, though pretty much always after a warning. If you go through dang and ... the other admin's accounts (sorry, other guy, but that's entirely nonmemorable), you'll see a great deal of activity. HN reflects the founders' and adminstrators' views far more than Reddit.
Mostly, that works out well, though it clearly doesn't scale to the extent Reddit does. This is not all bad.