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Re: Apple is Officially Worth More than Microsoft

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Also: More controlling than Microsoft.

controlling, maybe. MSFT is not the most "controlling" tech company out there (take a look at electronics and automation companies for real tight arsed behaviour) The problem people had with MSFT is their use of market dominance to kill off competition.

Apple is treading the same path to the same type of market dominance. Apple isn't the underdog any more. Time to take a second look.

Re: Apple is Officially Worth More than Microsoft

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Did MG Siegler just violate SEC laws by not disclosing if he owns Apple stock and telling thousands of his readers that Apple stock will continue to increase?

Perhaps he doesn't own the stock. Surely you can't be forced to disclose if you have no financial interest, right? If so, HN is a treasure trove of SEC violations :)

Re: Apple is Officially Worth More than Microsoft

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The thing that's most interesting about all this is the predicament that Microsoft now finds itself in. They just lost two top guys - J. Allard & Robbie Bach - and you have to wonder just how rudderless Microsoft is at the moment. They've invested heavily in their core tech - mostly a good idea - but then they have really nothing to compete with Apple or Google in the mobile space, at least until their new phone os h…

Bach may have been fired precisely because HP bought Palm rather than continuing as a Windows Mobile customer: http://blog.asymco.com/2010/05/25/the-reason-robbie-bach-was...

J Allard has apparently ruled out working for Google or Apple, and wants to focus on extreme sports instead: http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/05/bach_allard_leaving...

Re: Apple is Officially Worth More than Microsoft

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just so you know, Goldman Sachs' P/E has nothing to do with this discussion. GS is a player in an entirely different industry and it is useless to compare this one statistic between two tech companies.

>Goldman Sachs' P/E has nothing to do with this discussion Nothing? Don't you think that's a little strong? P/E reflects growth prospects, and a large, established financial company has limited growth prospects. Just as a large, established, coasting tech company tends to have lower P/E ratios. GS lives in an industry with lower P/E ratios, but saying that it has "nothing" to do with it is terribly wrong.

You are missing the point, GS is a horrible example to compare to anything but other financials right now. We have upheaval in the financial market around the world along with new regulations coming down a year after they were basically bankrupt and had to be bailed out by the government. What about that is established, limited growth prospects etc.

There are plenty of other large cap companies to compare MS to that are far more applicable, look at Proctor and Gamble's P/E is 16.06. Colgate Palmolive's is 19, IBM's is 12. Those are more comparable/normal.

Re: Apple is Officially Worth More than Microsoft

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The thing that's most interesting about all this is the predicament that Microsoft now finds itself in. They just lost two top guys - J. Allard & Robbie Bach - and you have to wonder just how rudderless Microsoft is at the moment. They've invested heavily in their core tech - mostly a good idea - but then they have really nothing to compete with Apple or Google in the mobile space, at least until their new phone os h…

> a GBox has a nice ring to it actually. Let's not go there ok ?

The reality is we are going there because Google (along with Apple) are both developing 'connected tv's (aka, wifi enabled, OS running tv's). Not exactly an attempt to go right at Sony, Nintendo, etc, but Apple has shown how disruptive a sideways entry into a new market can be (or was that more of a happy accident stumble sideways?). Plus, I think the 'game companies' fail to recognize what a huge market casual games are and for most people, that's plenty enough to keep them happy.

Re: Apple is Officially Worth More than Microsoft

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Smells like an Apple bubble?

Actually, their P/E ratio has been steadily declining over the past five years, even as their stock price has risen dramatically. Usually a stock is considered overvalued if the P/E ratio is really high. But this chart (stock price on top, P/E ratio on bottom) seems to indicate that AAPL is not being overvalued by the market as the stock price goes up: http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/advchart/frames/main.asp?ti...

But investors are putting their money in to sell high since APPL doesn't pay dividends. The price is high atm, and there are many who are waiting exit, so any kind of trigger could set off a landslide.

Re: Apple is Officially Worth More than Microsoft

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a GBox has a nice ring to it actually. Let's not go there ok ?

The reality is we are going there because Google (along with Apple) are both developing 'connected tv's (aka, wifi enabled, OS running tv's). Not exactly an attempt to go right at Sony, Nintendo, etc, but Apple has shown how disruptive a sideways entry into a new market can be (or was that more of a happy accident stumble sideways?). Plus, I think the 'game companies' fail to recognize what a huge market casual games…

Maybe I should have added that ';)' after all...

Re: Apple is Officially Worth More than Microsoft

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Exactly! One of the best essay in PG's H&Ps book in my opinion was the one that explains how winning doesn't have to be a zero-sum game, you can generate wealth. This seems a no brainer but a lot of people don't get it. Many predict that a similar thing will happen in the battle between Google and Apple.

It interesting view this google vs apple in: http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:AAPL+goog put the graph to 1y or 5y.

Interesting in the similarities? Compare it with Microsoft (MSFT), the ups and downs appear to be more due to economic shifts than any connection between the two. AAPL/GOOG is definitely closer than AAPL/MSFT, but part of that could simply be due to that both are growing and changing quickly, and are less immune to economic forces than entrenched-MSFT.

Re: Apple is Officially Worth More than Microsoft

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The thing that's most interesting about all this is the predicament that Microsoft now finds itself in. They just lost two top guys - J. Allard & Robbie Bach - and you have to wonder just how rudderless Microsoft is at the moment. They've invested heavily in their core tech - mostly a good idea - but then they have really nothing to compete with Apple or Google in the mobile space, at least until their new phone os h…

Bach may have been fired precisely because HP bought Palm rather than continuing as a Windows Mobile customer: http://blog.asymco.com/2010/05/25/the-reason-robbie-bach-was... J Allard has apparently ruled out working for Google or Apple, and wants to focus on extreme sports instead: http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/05/bach_allard_leaving...

Man, what's really scary is that I thought this article was going to be about how MS lost out to HP in the Palm deal, and that's why they fired him. But it sounds like they never even considered this, and it was more about 'losing a key client'.

Wow, I really thought they had a better grasp of the market trends and were at least aware of the major problems they face.

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