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Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by axemclion »

hackcrafter wrote: post #39
LyalinDotCom wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We also have a new video on Mobile Center if you're interested, we just released it as part of launch event: https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Visual-Studio/Visual-Studio... (its by the product team)

I'm curious if CodePush[0] can be used along side (or integrated into) Mobile Center. That seems like a no-brainer if you are supporting React Native based apps. Also, I didn't see any support for platform native Notification APIs for React Native. The current notification service is for pure-JS / Cordova[1] [0] https://microsoft.github.io/code-push/ [1] https://azure.github.io/azure-mobile-apps-js-client/

Yes, CodePush can be used with Mobile Center - here is a demo video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfqZ8Uy2p3U)

CodePush will also be integrated into Mobile Center, so that you can also making CodePush a part of your CI process. We are also working on adding support for Authentication, storage, testing and Push notifications.

[I am the PM on CodePush and React Native Mobile Center stuff]

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

#52

Post by romanovcode »

LyalinDotCom wrote: post #46
romanovcode wrote: post #43

I'm super excited about VS2017. But excuse me this launch video (beginning, with Chinese presenter) is super cringe-inducing. Horrible.

We're a worldwide company that embraces diversity and benefits hugely for it, so honestly I am disappointed very much with your comment.

You can do that, but without pushing it down my throat using people who are clearly are not interested in participating in said activities.

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

#53

Post by Pxtl »

jhasse wrote: post #3

I really hope they add wildcard (e. g. src/*.cpp) support in C++ project files

Visual studio already supports this in 2015 and older iirc, at least for C# and SQL projects, but it's an undocumented feature. You have to close and re-open the project if you add/remove a file so it notices that it's different.

part of the new project system that grew out of the ill-fated project.json is to make this a first-class experience, but again that's focusing on the .csproj, I have no idea if it applies to C++.

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

#54

Post by Pxtl »

LyalinDotCom wrote: post #18
badminton1 wrote: post #16

I've used Visual Studio for many years. Visual Studio 5.0 was very responsive. Visual Studio 2015 is not as responsive. Nowadays it seemes a bit bloated, even after disabling unused plugins and features. Switched to CLion and Rider, which are not known for their speed, but feel more responsible than VS to me. That and a more affordable price and cross-platform support.

I am sorry we lost you and we're very aware of the need to improve IDE performance and have invested a lot into this release towards that goal. Just one example to read is this blog series when the product was still codenamed VS "15". https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2016/10/14/imp... (VS "15" is Visual Studio 2017) We also have Visual Studio Code for those who want a lighter code editor, see: http://cod…

From what I'm hearing from the talk, there's a heavy focus on making the individual components faster, but my biggest performance problem si that slow things lock up the whole IDE. I'm okay that some thing take long but when they mean I can't edit anything, even completely unrelated stuff when you're grinding away opening the lousy table designer UI in SSDT, that's a big problem.

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by jasode »

LyalinDotCom wrote: post #33
erryoiruye wrote: post #28

Where did the ISO:s go? Please give us something with a known hash. I attempted to create the offline installer [1] but the vs_community.exe just silently quit after some mintues, having downloaded only some certificates. The custom download idea is easily planted with malware and all those bad things. Also, please consider upgrading from SHA-1. > We understand that a lot of customers want an offline installer for Vi…

Due to licensing complexity of today's installer we just can't make the ISO for you but in the link above as you pointed out you can create your own. We're sorry for that but its what we can offer today.

Fyi... I just tried the offline download and after 34 minutes, it is hung and won't finish.

The command line I used:

  vs_Enterprise.exe --layout z:\VS2017_RTM --lang en-US
last lines of the console:

  ...
  Download of 'https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=823168' succeeded using engine 'WebClient'
  Download of 'https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=833503' succeeded using engine 'WebClient'
  Download of 'https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=833501' succeeded using engine 'WebClient'
  Download of 'https://download.microsoft.com/download/B/5/5/B55373E5-8948-41DF-B1D5-F60896104294/WinSdkInstall.ps1' succeeded using engine 'WebClient'
  Download of 'https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=838828' succeeded using engine 'WebClient'
stats of the target directory so far:

  2,631 Files, 1,005 Folders total  14,444,652,261 bytes
I previously got the offline download to complete with version RC1 in November 2016 but RC2 in Janurary 2017 always hung in the same spot. I didn't pursue RC2 troubleshooting since RTM would be available a month later and I hoped whatever problem with RC2 would be resolved in RTM.

Well, it still doesn't work. Please let the MS team know that there's something about the offline download ("--layout" option) that's fragile and prone to hang. I don't believe it's an issue with overloaded servers because when I tried multiple times with RC2, it always hung on the exact same file whether it was morning/night/ weekday/weekend. I suspect the current problem is similar.

I took a screenshot of the hung process for RC2 in January and it seems to hang right after downloading WinSdkInstall.ps1 which is similar to RTM behavior:

RC2 hung in January: http://imgur.com/a/uwfoj

RTM hung in March (today): http://imgur.com/a/QxqC3

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

#56

Post by jarsin »

LyalinDotCom wrote: post #8

Its a great sense of relief to finally ship this product, we really hope folks give it a try and join our live keynote which is streaming now at http://launch.visualstudio.com

Downloading...i pray to god that intellisense finally works for large c++ code bases such as Unreal Engine.

Wishful thinking?

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by becausepc »

johnduhart wrote: post #49
romanovcode wrote: post #43

I'm super excited about VS2017. But excuse me this launch video (beginning, with Chinese presenter) is super cringe-inducing. Horrible.

I'm also super excited about VS2017. But excuse me this HN comment (last line, with the insensitive remark) is super cringe-inducing. Horrible.

Yes, the comment was not nice (comment is now dead). However, I've stopped watching the video because the presenter's English accent was not easy on my ear. The problem reminds me about "Founders' Accents" article:

http://www.paulgraham.com/accents.html

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

#58

Post by eitland »

LyalinDotCom wrote: post #8

Its a great sense of relief to finally ship this product, we really hope folks give it a try and join our live keynote which is streaming now at http://launch.visualstudio.com

As a newcomer to .net I was really confused by the lacking refactoring support in Visual Studio (yes, things we spoiled Java brats take for granted like extract method, extract class, move to separate file etc).

Is this available in VS 2017?

Edit: and live unit testing! I was looking forward to that until I found out it was only available in the enterprise version. (And yes, here you have an edge on Java anyway I think)

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

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Post by nathanm412 »

romanovcode wrote: post #52
LyalinDotCom wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're a worldwide company that embraces diversity and benefits hugely for it, so honestly I am disappointed very much with your comment.

You can do that, but without pushing it down my throat using people who are clearly are not interested in participating in said activities.

This announcement wasn't targeted to just you individually. I don't see "Visual Studio 2017 Launch Video for overly sensitive romanovcode" anywhere in the title. Do you not think that the Corporate Vice President of Visual Studio would be a qualified person to be speaking during this event? No one is forcing you to participate in watching this video. The whole industry would do better without people like you. In fact, it is!

Re: Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

#60

Post by m_fayer »

LyalinDotCom wrote: post #18
badminton1 wrote: post #16

I've used Visual Studio for many years. Visual Studio 5.0 was very responsive. Visual Studio 2015 is not as responsive. Nowadays it seemes a bit bloated, even after disabling unused plugins and features. Switched to CLion and Rider, which are not known for their speed, but feel more responsible than VS to me. That and a more affordable price and cross-platform support.

I am sorry we lost you and we're very aware of the need to improve IDE performance and have invested a lot into this release towards that goal. Just one example to read is this blog series when the product was still codenamed VS "15". https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2016/10/14/imp... (VS "15" is Visual Studio 2017) We also have Visual Studio Code for those who want a lighter code editor, see: http://cod…

I have the feeling that a big problem with VS is less about raw performance and more about old school blocking code, ironic considering how good C/F# are for async programming. VS just tends to "freeze" where other IDEs would throw up a spinner somewhere and let you carry on more or less unmolested. It does seem to be getting better though, keep up the good work!
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