Men not at work: Why so many men aged 25 to 54 are not working (2016) • Hacker News Board

Re: Men not at work: Why so many men aged 25 to 54 are not working (2016)

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Post by crdoconnor » Sun, Mar 05, 2017, 5:14 PM UTC

>What should we do about it? > >Government policy can make a difference, Furman argues. Improving education and access to college could help by making workers more attractive to employers. So would spending more on helping people find jobs, as other countries do. Providing child-care subsidies and paid leave could draw more men – and women — into the workforce. Expanding the tax subsidies offered to low-wage workers so jobs are more attractive would be a plus, too.

The Brookings institution rarely fails to advocate for corporation and profit-friendly solutions.

In the 30s, they solved (actually solved, rather than giving out corporate welfare) the problem with the PWA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Works_Administration

Re: Men not at work: Why so many men aged 25 to 54 are not working (2016)

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Post by rudrigu » Sun, Mar 05, 2017, 5:14 PM UTC

woodruffw wrote: post #46

rudrigu wrote: post #14

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That is as valid as creationism. Please abstain from such worthless platitudinous statements.

Your argument amounts to an appeal to nature, and appeals to nature are suspect for two (immediate) reasons: * Humans are capable of rational activity, and have no need to appeal to our development for moral justification. * What happened in our development (that which was ) has absolutely no bearing on what we ought to do based on what currently is . We have strong archaeological and anthropological evidence that ea…

Appeals to nature are suspect, appeals to the irrelevancy of nature are outright dishonest.

Re: Men not at work: Why so many men aged 25 to 54 are not working (2016)

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Mar 05, 2017, 5:15 PM UTC

jokoon wrote: post #2

I've started some treatment recently, and for some reason I immediately started dating and looking for mates again. I quickly realized how difficult it is. You can't find women unless you have a job, while women have made outstanding progress in education and the workforce, and for some reason they have a hard time dating people who have a less comfortable situation than themselves. I don't want to ride the whole men…

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Re: Men not at work: Why so many men aged 25 to 54 are not working (2016)

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Post by xapata » Sun, Mar 05, 2017, 5:15 PM UTC

rudrigu wrote: post #29

thrownblown wrote: post #21

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In my marriage, I bring home the bacon with a small SaaS and the wife is in graduate school. We split the raising of our child 50-50. I like it just fine. She doesn't. She's admittedly jealous of how much time I spend with my son, she resents having to continue on her career path and not being able to be a stay-t-home mom. She doesn't understand why I would rather raise my son than work a real programming job. We are…

Perhaps a few decades from now, saner people will arrive at the realization that a woman's first career should be motherhood. A woman's best years should be for her children, not her employer.

And men should tend the land. It brings character to labor physically. These sissys who have no callouses don't know what real work is. Living in artificial, concrete cages, people have lost touch with reality!

Oh wait, no. Tending the land is for women. Men should be out hunting.

/parody

Re: Men not at work: Why so many men aged 25 to 54 are not working (2016)

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Post by emiliobumachar » Sun, Mar 05, 2017, 5:15 PM UTC

rudrigu wrote: post #29

thrownblown wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my marriage, I bring home the bacon with a small SaaS and the wife is in graduate school. We split the raising of our child 50-50. I like it just fine. She doesn't. She's admittedly jealous of how much time I spend with my son, she resents having to continue on her career path and not being able to be a stay-t-home mom. She doesn't understand why I would rather raise my son than work a real programming job. We are…

Perhaps a few decades from now, saner people will arrive at the realization that a woman's first career should be motherhood. A woman's best years should be for her children, not her employer.

I think we should strive for something along the lines of each woman choosing for herself.

Re: Men not at work: Why so many men aged 25 to 54 are not working (2016)

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Post by tornadoboy55 » Sun, Mar 05, 2017, 5:16 PM UTC

The problem is that when a 45yr old man dates a 25yr old girl all the women rabble and call him a pig, but when a woman will only date a man who 'can provide' its 'only natural'. You see the same issue crop up in tons of things. They tried to ban 'lad mags' in the U.K, but there was no talk of banning so-called kitchen romances (the shitty paperback stuff middle-adged moms love to buy in the supermarket). Iceland tried to ban strip clubs. Or imagine the backlash if there was a 'Magic Melissa' counterpart released to Magic Mike. I can already practically hear the feminist outrage..

Women of the West have succeeded in perpetually shaming men for enjoying life its vices, whilst simultaneously enjoying (and pretty much demanding to be celebrated for it) their own equivalent vices. Pretty disgusting when you take a objective look at it Probably gonna be downvoted to hell by virtue signallers too.. I'd rather have a decent dialogue but oh well, can't win 'me all.

Re: Men not at work: Why so many men aged 25 to 54 are not working (2016)

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Post by threatofrain » Sun, Mar 05, 2017, 5:18 PM UTC

dukeluke wrote: post #47

randomdata wrote: post #34

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Besides, education has never been more accessible. One can sit down at their home computer – or one freely provided by a local library – and gain skills, across a variety of professions, that can make them highly marketable. These people aren't sitting at home watching TV because they lack education. They lack education for the same reason they are sitting at home, which is a much more complex topic, and not solved b…

You act like lower-class "uneducated" men _should_ be unable to get a job. That's a bit messed up in my opinion. At a time of unparalleled wealth, all classes should be prospering. Also, I say "education" in quotes because today in an age where anyone can learn anything on the internet, a lack of degree does not mean a lack of education. A degree just shows you're willing to be compliant and follow an arbitrary educa…

It sounds like to me randomdata is suggesting that personality or psychology is the 3rd missing variable, and that this psychological or personality trait leads to both joblessness and poor education.

Re: Men not at work: Why so many men aged 25 to 54 are not working (2016)

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Post by dang » Sun, Mar 05, 2017, 5:20 PM UTC

ArkyBeagle wrote: post #33

And ( to my ear ) the always reliable Dean Baker addresses "the money thing" in "Rigged". Scott Sumner has also written at length on the subject. There are two mandates to the Fed - price stability and ( Humphrey-Hawkins ) employment. With the exception of the Greenspan era pre-2000, Fed policy has set employment in the back seat. Because "Inflation BAAAAD!" ( in the manner of Phil Hartman's Frankenstein's monster ).…

We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13796757 and marked it off-topic.

Re: Men not at work: Why so many men aged 25 to 54 are not working (2016)

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Mar 05, 2017, 5:20 PM UTC

swiley wrote: post #12

rudrigu wrote: post #10

"... or the wife works while the man take care of kids" Then wifey starts seeing hubby as a sexless entity --- sort of like the son she never gave birth to --- and loses attraction for him. "... it isn't a gender thing. It is a money thing" Humans spent millennia as hunter-gatherers. Men hunted, women gathered. Men protected and provided, women nurtured the children. If women provide and protection is provided by the…

I would argue it's rather dangerous to use evolution as support for theories about human behavior. This kind of argument is what brought us eugenics.

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Re: Men not at work: Why so many men aged 25 to 54 are not working (2016)

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Post by bobbytherobot » Sun, Mar 05, 2017, 5:20 PM UTC

jokoon wrote: post #2

I've started some treatment recently, and for some reason I immediately started dating and looking for mates again. I quickly realized how difficult it is. You can't find women unless you have a job, while women have made outstanding progress in education and the workforce, and for some reason they have a hard time dating people who have a less comfortable situation than themselves. I don't want to ride the whole men…

> One generation behind us, women still sort of relied on men, and now that the tables have turned, women might need to make a compromise.

You mean the system was heavily stacked to make women reliant on men. I won't call that a compromise.

The tables haven't turned, the game changed. We have drastically removed many of the forces meant to keep women as dependents of men. If the tables had turned, then men would be systematically be kept out of jobs, particularly high paying careers. They most certainly are not being kept out of those jobs.