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Kim Jong-Nam Was Killed by VX Nerve Agent, Malaysians Say

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Re: Kim Jong-Nam Was Killed by VX Nerve Agent, Malaysians Say

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I disapprove of assassination but I've got to admit this one scores 10/10 for sheer style.

What is it with these tinpot strongmen? Polonium, mortars, nerve gas... in my day when you wanted someone dead you just shot him.

I think such incidents are more messages about the ability to stage an elaborate and unexpected attack than about the death of the unlucky victim, who may not even be that important in the scheme of things but is chosen to call attention to the political nature of the act.

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#52

WHY? Why kill people exotically? Why not just use a simple garrote with a thin wire? 10 seconds done, the head would be practically off. I am sure you could get a weird pair of head phones past security. If you poison someone with polonium/exotic nerve agent doesn't it narrow down the suspect pool? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvine...

It's far easier to touch someone in public than it is to garotte someone in public and North Korea seemed to think it had some kind of diplomatic right to the body before an autopsy, which would also lead them to believe that their exotic toxin wouldn't be discovered.

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#53

This is easily the most terrifying comment I've ever seen on Hacker News. You are a deeply scary human being. May I ask how do you know all of this? Edit: weird, I typically know ahead of time what's going to get downvoted. Didn't see it coming this time around. shrug

Look at the number of Wikipedia links, it's not like tlow is the only person on earth that knows about this.

Thank you. I am merely a curious character who happens to read; occasionally on esoteric matters.

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#54

Would you have celebrated the assassination of Hitler if one had been performed? I know that's a stretching comparison, but it's not too far off. Dude was garbage, deserved EXACTLY what he got. Hell, NK even runs concentration camps, so it's really not even that wild of a comparison.

A totally legit question. Yes I would have approved but there you had a state of open war. Short of that unhappy circumstance, assassination is usually either a tool of oppression or an act of war, neither of which are things I'd want to perpetuate. Once hostilities have been declared then the ethical calculus changes significantly.

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#55

This is easily the most terrifying comment I've ever seen on Hacker News. You are a deeply scary human being. May I ask how do you know all of this? Edit: weird, I typically know ahead of time what's going to get downvoted. Didn't see it coming this time around. shrug

Don't worry about someone making this knowledge public. Worry about whether it were to fall only into the wrong hands.

Re: Kim Jong-Nam Was Killed by VX Nerve Agent, Malaysians Say

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Does VX explain how the two women survived despite using bare hands to administer an apparently skin-absorbable poison? It has binary agent formulations, so each women could have one half on her hand and avoid any contamination by swiping very fast.

> While addressing a spellbound audience of young officers, he would sometimes partially immerse one finger in a small beaker of pure VX for a few seconds. Without interrupting his lecture, he would then amble to a nearby sink and casually wash the deadly chemical from his finger. The teaching point was that VX could not enter the skin instantaneously, and that accidental exposure of a small area would not be harmful…

I'm grateful for the edification, but dude, that's a very specific reference from a >$100 (text?)book on a very particular subject. I'm afraid to ask about your background :P

Re: Kim Jong-Nam Was Killed by VX Nerve Agent, Malaysians Say

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Does VX explain how the two women survived despite using bare hands to administer an apparently skin-absorbable poison? It has binary agent formulations, so each women could have one half on her hand and avoid any contamination by swiping very fast.

> While addressing a spellbound audience of young officers, he would sometimes partially immerse one finger in a small beaker of pure VX for a few seconds. Without interrupting his lecture, he would then amble to a nearby sink and casually wash the deadly chemical from his finger. The teaching point was that VX could not enter the skin instantaneously, and that accidental exposure of a small area would not be harmful…

The timeline seems to agree.

Jong Nam felt uneasy after being sprayed and went to KLIA clinic. As his condition worsen, he's transferred to Putrajaya hospital which is 30min away from KLIA. He was pronounced dead upon arrival at the hospital. I would say 30min to 1 hour for the nerve agent to actually kill someone.

Sorry I don't have source. Just watched the news few days ago on Malaysian TV.

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Does VX explain how the two women survived despite using bare hands to administer an apparently skin-absorbable poison? It has binary agent formulations, so each women could have one half on her hand and avoid any contamination by swiping very fast.

> While addressing a spellbound audience of young officers, he would sometimes partially immerse one finger in a small beaker of pure VX for a few seconds. Without interrupting his lecture, he would then amble to a nearby sink and casually wash the deadly chemical from his finger. The teaching point was that VX could not enter the skin instantaneously, and that accidental exposure of a small area would not be harmful…

So all Kim Jong-Nam had to do to survive was walk into a washroom and wipe his face clean with soap and water?

Re: Kim Jong-Nam Was Killed by VX Nerve Agent, Malaysians Say

#59

WHY? Why kill people exotically? Why not just use a simple garrote with a thin wire? 10 seconds done, the head would be practically off. I am sure you could get a weird pair of head phones past security. If you poison someone with polonium/exotic nerve agent doesn't it narrow down the suspect pool? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvine...

I think showing that it was likely nation state sponsored was the point. Either by North Korea to scream "we can", or some other nation to stir the pot.
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